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Comment author: olibain 20 February 2013 08:34:42PM 8 points [-]

I'm Robby Oliphant. I started a few months ago reading HP:MoR, which led me to the Sequences, which led me here about two weeks ago. So far I have read comments and discussions solely as a spectator. But finally, after developing my understanding and beginning on the path set forth by the sequences, I remain silent no more.

I am fresh out of high school, excited about life and plan to become a teacher, eventually. My short-term plans involve going out and doing missionary work for my church for the next two years. When I came head on against the problem of being a rationalist and a missionary for a theology, I took a step back and had a crisis of belief, not the first time, but this time I followed the prescribed method and came to a modified conclusion, though I still find it rational and advantageous to serve my 2 year mission.

I find some of this difficult, some of this intuitive and some of this neither difficult or intuitive, which is extremely frustrating, how something can appears simple but defy my efforts to intuitively work it. I will continue to work at it because rationality seems to be praiseworthy and useful. I hope to find the best evidence about theology here. I don't mean evidence for or against, just the evidence about the subject.

Comment author: olibain 21 February 2013 04:17:23AM *  3 points [-]

Hahaha! I find it heartening that that is your response to me wanting to be a teacher. I am quite aware that the system is broken. My personal way of explaining it: The school system works for what it was made to work for; avoiding responsibility for a failed product.

  • The parents are not responsible; the school taught their kids.

  • The students are not socially responsible; everything was compulsory, they had no choice to make.

  • Teachers are not to blame; they teach what they are told to teach and have the autonomy of a pre-AI computer intelligence.

  • The administrators are not to blame; They are not the students' parents or teachers.

  • The faceless, nameless committees that set the curriculum are not responsible, they formed then separated after setting forth the unavoidably terrible standards for all students of an arbitrary age everywhere.

So the product fails but everyone did they're best. No nails stick out, no one gets hammered.

I have high dreams of being the educator that takes down public education. If a teacher comes up with a new way of teaching or an important thing to teach, he can go to class the next day and test it. I have a hope of professional teachers; either trusted with the autonomy of being professionals, or actual professionals in their subject, teaching only those that want to learn.

Also the literature on Mormons fromDesrtopa, Ford and Nisan I am thankful for. I enjoyed the Mormonism organizational post because I have also noticed how well the church runs. It is one reason I stay a Latter-Day Saint in this time of Atheism mainstreaming. The church is winning, it is well organized, service and family-oriented, and supports me as I study rationality and education. I can give examples, but I will leave my deeper insights for my future posts; I feel I am well introduced for now.

Comment author: Bugmaster 21 February 2013 05:45:13AM 1 point [-]

The church is winning, it is well organized, service and family-oriented, and supports me as I study rationality and education.

I would be quite interested to see a more detailed post regarding that last part. Of course, I am just some random guy on the Internet, but still :-)

Comment author: [deleted] 08 March 2013 05:37:05AM *  0 points [-]

I'd like to know how they [=consequentialist deists stuck in religions with financial obligations] justify tithing so much of their income to an ineffective charity.

Comment author: whowhowho 21 February 2013 10:36:22AM 0 points [-]

The Education system in the US, or the education system everywhere?

Comment author: MugaSofer 21 February 2013 10:54:35AM -2 points [-]

Can't speak for Everywhere, but it's certainly not just the US. Ireland has much the same problem, although I think it's not quite as bad here.

Comment author: [deleted] 21 February 2013 05:05:43PM 0 points [-]

In Italy it's also very bad, but the public opinion does have a culprit in mind (namely, politics).

Comment author: OrphanWilde 07 March 2013 08:08:33PM -1 points [-]

I love Mormonism.

Possibly because I love Thus Spoke Zarathustra, and Mormonism seems to be at least partially inspired by it.

Comment author: gwern 08 March 2013 05:06:08AM 3 points [-]

That seems rather unlikely, inasmuch as the first English translation was in 1896 - by which point Smith had preached, died, the Mormons evacuated to Utah, begun proselytizing overseas and baptism of the dead, set up a successful state, disavowed polygamy, etc.

Comment author: OrphanWilde 08 March 2013 02:50:14PM 0 points [-]

There's also the fact that it wasn't even written until after Joseph Smith had died, translation not even being an issue. (In point of fact, Nietzsche was born the same year that Joseph Smith died.)

Nonetheless! I am convinced a time traveler gave Joseph Smith the book.