TheOtherDave comments on Rationality Quotes September 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 28 September 2012 06:40:05PM *  0 points [-]

I can't think of a concrete example that doesn't introduce derailing specifics.
Let me try a different question that gets at something similar: do you think that all choices a society makes that it describes as "moral" are economic choices in the sense you describe here, or just that some of them are?

Edit: whoops! got TimS and thomblake confused. Um. Unfortunately, that changes nothing of consequence: I still can't think of a concrete example that doesn't derail. But my followup question is not actually directed to Tim. Or, rather, ought not have been.

Comment author: thomblake 01 October 2012 04:26:21PM 1 point [-]

Probably a good counterexample would be the right for certain groups to work any job they're qualified for, for example women or people with disabilities. Generally, those changes were profitable and would have been at any time society accepted it.

Comment author: TimS 01 October 2012 06:06:13PM 0 points [-]

I don't understand the position you are arguing and I really want to. Either illusion of transparency or I'm an idiot. And TheOtherDave appears to understand you. :(

Comment author: thomblake 01 October 2012 06:31:57PM 0 points [-]

I'm not really arguing for a position - the grandparent was a counterexample to the general principle I had proposed upthread, since the change was both good and an immediate economic benefit, and it took a very long time to be adopted.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 01 October 2012 05:55:47PM 0 points [-]

(nods) Yup, that's one example I was considering, but discarded as too potentially noisy.

But, OK, now that we're here... if we can agree for the sake of comity that giving women the civil right to work any job would have been economically practical for Athenians, and that they nevertheless didn't do so, presumably due to some other non-economic factors... I guess my question is, would you find it inconsistent, in that case, to find Athenians arguing that doing so would be immoral?

Comment author: thomblake 01 October 2012 06:33:01PM 0 points [-]

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure lots of things can stand in the way of moral progress.