VKS comments on Rationality Quotes September 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: VKS 02 November 2012 02:16:43PM 0 points [-]

There are situations where your feelings are more reliable than your models. Are there situations where it is the other way around? How do you decide which to use?

Comment author: roland 02 November 2012 04:18:19PM 0 points [-]

I don't intended the original quote to be an admonition against all use of models/reasoning. My point was more or less along the lines of "listen to your feelings, they might be telling you something important. Don't disregard them just because you have some neat model, your model could be wrong."

Comment author: VKS 02 November 2012 05:38:10PM 0 points [-]

I agree, but that does not answer the question. How do you decide which to use? What do you need in order to decide?

Comment author: roland 02 November 2012 06:23:31PM 1 point [-]

This boils down to: when do you know that your models are correct? And the answer is, you almost never know, unless it is already settled by science and even then there is room for error and further correction down the road(years away). But you need to make decisions now, every day.

Comment author: VKS 02 November 2012 08:49:52PM 0 points [-]

Almost. It boils down to: when do you know that your models are correct and when do you know your feelings are correct. Well, how do you settle that question?

Comment author: roland 02 November 2012 09:03:00PM 0 points [-]

I don't know, but I have the impression that you have an answer in mind, care to share?

Comment author: VKS 02 November 2012 09:14:30PM 0 points [-]

chaosmosis said it already :)

You don't have to treat your feelings and your models differently. Just use whichever one the evidence suggests is more likely to be correct in whichever situation you find you find yourself in. See?

Comment author: roland 02 November 2012 09:29:41PM 0 points [-]

Sounds good, but you still have to decide which one is more likely to be correct, so it doesn't seem to solve the fundamental question at hand.

Comment author: VKS 02 November 2012 09:42:45PM 0 points [-]

Unfortunately, I can't help you with that, as you have your own models and feelings. You'll have to collect data on your own about which works better in what situation. You can probably start by going over past experiences to see if there are any apparent trends, and then just be mindful of any opportunity you might have to confirm or disconfirm any hypothesis you might generate. Watch out for unfalsifiables!

Comment author: chaosmosis 02 November 2012 06:30:26PM *  0 points [-]

Empiricism and logic? Just treat your emotions like a model, and judge them like you would any other. Even though you can't see the inside of your emotions, neither can you see the inside of the thought processes that produce the model. I don't see why there would be any difference between the two.

Comment author: VKS 02 November 2012 08:50:41PM 0 points [-]

yes