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Comment author: [deleted] 03 March 2015 01:00:04PM 0 points [-]

To put it simply, the welfare goes to the class under the working class, the welfare class. They get little out of it.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 03 March 2015 01:36:25PM 0 points [-]

Is that a fact? Is it true everywhere? Welfare systems are generally intended to tide people of speaks of unemployment. You write as though the workers never claim, and the claimants never work.

Comment author: [deleted] 03 March 2015 01:56:54PM *  0 points [-]

Intended, maybe, but in fact they create a perpetual underclass. And AFAIK true in many countries and often ethnically, in the US welfare is associated with blacks in Hungary or Romania with Roma people in the UK with Pakistanis etc. of course part of this perception is the racism of the non-welfare-recipient ethnic majority, but the whole point is that they can only afford to be racists about welfare because they see welfare recipients as a distinct class from themselves.

Do not confuse welfare with unemployment insurance. AFAIK the majority of it is child-related welfare. That, of course, is a reason why it tends to be encoded in racist terms, "Those Xs breed like rabbits to get government money!" but the point is, it is not really temporary if it is child related.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 03 March 2015 02:04:01PM 0 points [-]

Intended, maybe, but in fact they create a perpetual underclass

Is that a fact? Is it true everywhere?

In any case, its not very relevant to the original point. Its not very much in the interests of working poor to oppose welfare to spite the non working poor,