TheOtherDave comments on Firewalling the Optimal from the Rational - Less Wrong

86 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 08 October 2012 08:01AM

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 10 October 2012 06:38:43PM 0 points [-]

I'll note that "no-one benefits" is different than "it leaves me and everyone else worse off."

So, what kinds of things can outweigh that terminal utility, and on what basis do they do so?

Comment author: ciphergoth 10 October 2012 08:15:59PM 1 point [-]

Oh all sorts of things - I'm not a strong defender of freedom. I'll happily, say, prevent a drunk friend from doing something very dangerous. I don't mean that that's where all or even most terminal utility comes from - I just mean that it isn't literally zero, that there are at least some costs it's enough to outweigh. Assuming as you do that I somehow have certain knowledge, and supposing someone about to die wants to watch a terrible movie that won't make them happy, and I have the option of silently removing it from the list of options so that they end up with a better choice, there is still some value in them getting what they wanted.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 10 October 2012 08:47:46PM 1 point [-]

Fair enough.
For my own part, while there are all sorts of things that might lead me to endorse the watching of a movie that would make someone unhappy -- that is, there are values other than happiness -- and some of those values might be best achieved in practice by letting individuals choose, them getting what they wanted isn't in and of itself one of them.