paper-machine comments on Open Thread, October 16-31, 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 18 October 2012 09:43:05AM 4 points [-]

Someone tells me, "1 + 1 = 2."

I tell them, "Ah, but if you take one cloud and another cloud, and add them together, you still get one cloud, so 1 + 1 = 1."

Neither claim is "silly bullshit", but the conclusion of the second sentence is clearly broken. I have no reason to doubt Feser is a domain expert in theology. It's what he does with his expertise that bothers me.

Anyway, if it takes such a round about sequence of obscure studies to even begin to make sense of this stuff, it is no wonder that modern atheists (or virtually all Christians, for that matter) have trouble getting it right.

That's exactly the point. Christianity is already a sociological fact that bares almost no resemblance to whatever kind of Christianity it is that would "get it right."

Comment author: wedrifid 18 October 2012 10:52:28AM 5 points [-]

I tell them, "Ah, but if you take one cloud and another cloud, and add them together, you still get one cloud, so 1 + 1 = 1."

Neither claim is "silly bullshit"

I'm comfortable calling that claim silly bullshit. In fact, I can't think of a better word for it. It is exactly the kind of thing the phrase "silly bullshit" is there to describe.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 18 October 2012 10:00:57AM *  3 points [-]

Yeah, I think I see what you mean. Feser seems to want to take apart arguments put forward by the atheist in the street in a no-holds-barred style, but then berates atheists that do the same to the Christian in the street, rather than only grappling with the arguments advanced by the masters of theology.