MTGandP comments on Open Thread, January 1-15, 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: MTGandP 04 January 2013 06:50:15AM *  2 points [-]

I see no reason to restrict our preference extrapolation to presently-existing humans. CEV should extrapolate from all preferences, which includes the preferences of all sentient beings, present and future. Any attempt to place boundaries on this require justification.

Edit: You might say, "Why not also include rocks in our consideration?" Simple: rocks don't have preferences. Sentient beings (including many non-human animals) have preferences.

Comment author: tut 04 January 2013 01:50:58PM 0 points [-]

What if the majority of sentient beings are ants and beetles?

Comment author: MTGandP 06 January 2013 05:46:41AM 1 point [-]

If ants and beetles are sentient, then CEV should take their preferences into account. It sounds like you're trying to use this as a reductio ad absurdum of my claim, but I don't believe that works. If ants and beetles are sentient then they deserve consideration, no matter how unintuitive that may seem.

Comment author: wedrifid 06 January 2013 07:08:27PM 2 points [-]

If ants and beetles are sentient, then CEV should take their preferences into account.

No it shouldn't.

Elaboration: Your 'should' claim indicates both that you have a preference for CEV<all sentient things> (if not all then at least up to the inclusion of ants and beetles if they are sentient) and that you assert it as a tribal norm. Many others don't implicitly instantiate CEV in that way and instead instantiate it to CEV<favored group>. The most common favored group being 'all humans'. To those people your unqualified assertion would be interpreted as false.

Comment author: MTGandP 06 January 2013 07:58:39PM *  0 points [-]

I addressed this point in my original comment.