Jandila comments on Open Thread, January 1-15, 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 08 January 2013 07:07:20PM 1 point [-]

If everyone kept kosher, there would be far fewer pig-experience-moments than the current world, including much less pig-experience-suffering. Is that good or bad for someone who values pig utility?

I value pig-utility. I'd much rather see a smaller number of comparitively well-kept, well-treated farm pigs and a healthy population of wild boars than the status quo. I'd also rather not see that arrived it by a mass slaughter of all other pigs, though, and pragmatically I'm not going to get that either way, so "a largeish-but-not-contemporary number of reasonably well-treated pigs farmed for food production" would be a much more feasible goal. Temple Grandin does a lot of work in this area, actually.

Comment author: Oscar_Cunningham 10 January 2013 12:50:34PM 0 points [-]

a mass slaughter of all other pigs

Isn't this what's happening all the time anyway?

Comment author: [deleted] 10 January 2013 06:54:05PM 0 points [-]

Not in the sense I was using it above, namely, "We kill them all at once to remove their population." What's happening at present is more like "we kill them in batches to meet production demands, and bring in more." Aggregated over the very long term a whole lot more pigs can suffer and die in the second case; I'm simply saying I don't find "One sudden, nearly-complete mass slaughter" to be a preferable alternative.

Comment author: Oscar_Cunningham 11 January 2013 10:17:06AM *  0 points [-]

My point is that the lifetime of a pig (EDIT: being farmed for meat) isn't very long (about 6 months from what I can find on the internet). Thus all we would have to do is stop breeding them for a while and we very quickly wouldn't have many pigs.

Comment author: [deleted] 12 January 2013 03:49:51AM 0 points [-]

That's totally true, but it feels a bit tangential to what I was saying.