satt comments on Just One Sentence - Less Wrong

33 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 05 January 2013 01:27AM

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Comment author: satt 05 January 2013 02:57:53AM *  13 points [-]

If we're talking about knowledge the ancients could immediately use, why bother with physics or macroeconomics? "There are tiny creatures too small to see that spread between living things, and make you sick if too many get into you, but there are ways to kill them" seems a lot more practical.

Comment author: RolfAndreassen 05 January 2013 03:49:27AM 9 points [-]

I would amend that to "soap will kill them". "Ways to kill them" sounds to me like a perfect way of starting a Voodoo Medicine cult, wherein the wisdom of the ancients is used as evidence that the shaman's dance works.

Comment author: Kawoomba 05 January 2013 04:30:27PM 11 points [-]

"soap will kill them"

You'd ... lie to them? Good idea: "soap will kill them" would be more instrumentally useful than some actually true but more complicated explanation, and once they figure out you weren't truthful (at which point they'd probably have figured out other ways to defend against microbes besides the hygiene hypothesis) you would've taught them another implicit lesson: Don't trust the authorities!

So, two for the price of one, with the latter unlocking after the first lost its usefulness. Smart!

Comment author: rhollerith_dot_com 05 January 2013 04:30:06AM *  5 points [-]

OK, but soap does not work by killing germs: it makes it impossible for them to continue to cling to a surface, so they get washed away.

Comment author: gwern 05 January 2013 04:19:33AM 3 points [-]

I wouldn't mention soap. Depending on the particular period of antiquity, it's possible no one would know what you're talking about, apparently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap#Early_history And I have to wonder whether that soap would serve as a disinfectant. Further concerns: they don't have experiments, randomization, or statistics - why should they believe that soap works even if they use it?

Comment author: satt 05 January 2013 04:49:44AM *  2 points [-]

I hadn't thought about the voodoo risk!

If I wanted to get more specific, I probably wouldn't list ways to kill germs — I'd draw a connection to the decomposition of animals instead. Then whoever's listening could probably figure out the connection to existing food preservation methods for themselves, and ask themselves whether there were other methods.

Comment author: Sarokrae 05 January 2013 01:32:51PM 3 points [-]

"...and boiling water kills most of them."?

Comment author: satt 05 January 2013 01:55:38PM 1 point [-]

You could throw that in too, sure. (I considered listing ways to kill germs, like boiling, pickling, salting, drying, and applying alcohol or alkalis, but figured my run-on sentence was run-onish enough already. Having thought about it more I might try a more concise nudge about the tiny creatures digesting carcasses.)