D_Malik comments on Open Thread, February 1-14, 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: D_Malik 02 February 2013 02:40:02AM *  4 points [-]

Found on Wikipedia:

There is an ongoing controversy in metaphysics about whether or not there are, in addition to actual, existing things, non-actual or nonexistent things. [...] Note that "actual" may not mean the same as "existing". Perhaps there exist things that are merely possible, but not actual. (Maybe they exist in other universes, and these universes are other "possible worlds"--possible alternatives to the actual world.) Perhaps some actual things are nonexistent. (Sherlock Holmes seems to be an actual example of a fictional character; one might think there are many other characters Arthur Conan Doyle might have invented, though he actually invented Holmes.)

Comment author: Manfred 02 February 2013 01:45:35PM 2 points [-]

Well. Good thing these hypothesis make different predictions :P

Comment author: David_Allen 06 February 2013 07:32:49AM 0 points [-]

Existence is reserved for things we have access to. Possible existence implies possible access. Actual existence implies actual access. Non-existence implies no possible access.

It is certainly possible to describe things outside of all possible access. For example as mentioned above we can talk about "non-actual or nonexistent things" and "possible worlds" that we can't access because they are counterfactual or because they are a separate reality. But when we talk about things beyond all possible access, we are just making up stories, and we can say anything. For example: All non-existent things are blue, and they are also simultaneously non-blue.

This reshapes the question to "Can something exist even if we don't have access to it.".

Although I am tempted to say that it certainly seems possible, I believe that the best approach is not to make any claims about anything beyond our access.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 16 February 2013 11:51:42PM 0 points [-]

I've seen a mention by Rudy Rucker of unmanageably large numbers. We don't have access to them. Do they exist?

Comment author: Nisan 06 February 2013 06:47:56AM 0 points [-]

The question of whether there are things that don't exist should lead us to consider the urgent question of whether there exist things that are not.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 February 2013 05:39:39AM 0 points [-]

Also related are Meinong's Jungle and Noneism.