John_Maxwell_IV comments on Open Thread, February 1-14, 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 13 February 2013 09:20:58AM *  1 point [-]

We are not suicide experts, we know nothing about how to help, and our attempts to help can easily backfire.

This sounds to me like taking the precautionary principle too far. Shouldn't we do an expected value calculation? I imagine the folks at Wikipedia had a few incidents of people being helped with their depression and killing themselves subsequently (possibly as a result of the help they received), then Wikipedia was like "What should we do? How about a don't-talk-with-suicidal-people policy?" without looking at the other, much more obscure cases where someone asked for help and did not subsequently commit suicide (possibly as a result of the help they received).

I seem to have read that talking to a random smart, empathetic person is just as good as talking to a pro counselor, BTW.

ETA: gwern, what's your take on http://www.reddit.com/r/suicidewatch?

Comment author: gwern 13 February 2013 06:48:08PM 1 point [-]

I imagine the folks at Wikipedia had a few incidents of people being helped with their depression and killing themselves subsequently (possibly as a result of the help they received), then Wikipedia was like "What should we do? How about a don't-talk-with-suicidal-people policy?" without looking at the other, much more obscure cases where someone asked for help and did not subsequently commit suicide (possibly as a result of the help they received).

I don't know. Wikipedia spends a lot less time on socializing then LW does.

ETA: gwern, what's your take on http://www.reddit.com/r/suicidewatch?

No one can stop them even if it's a terrible idea, they have nothing to lose, and nevertheless, they list their list of suicide hotlines prominently in the sidebar.