zslastman comments on Rationality Quotes March 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: AlexMennen 01 March 2013 04:41:37PM *  3 points [-]

The brick walls are not there to keep us out; the brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something. The brick walls are there to stop the people who don't want it badly enough. They are there to stop the other people.

Randy Pausch in The Last Lecture.

Comment author: zslastman 01 March 2013 05:36:53PM 5 points [-]

This seems pretty irrational to me. Ask a lucky stock trader whether you should try to beat the market or not and he'd reply that you should, and damn the statistics, because the efficient market hypothesis applies only to other people.

Comment author: AlexMennen 02 March 2013 02:12:56AM 5 points [-]

He was saying that you should keep trying after most people would give up, not that you should expect everything to magically go your way.

Comment author: Jakeness 02 March 2013 06:55:49PM 3 points [-]

Those two concepts have some overlap. Why should we use our energy trying to accomplish something that many have failed? Do we have good reason to discard the validity of their efforts? Are there good reasons to think our particular abilities are better suited to the task? Are we going to make some incremental progress that others can build on?

Comment author: wedrifid 02 March 2013 12:49:24PM 1 point [-]

This seems pretty irrational to me. Ask a lucky stock trader whether you should try to beat the market or not and he'd reply that you should, and damn the statistics, because the efficient market hypothesis applies only to other people.

The obstacle is a brick wall. Not an insurmountable barrier or the resource already having been nearly completely exploited by others (as would be analogous to the efficient market). Brick walls are comparatively simple to climb or destroy.

Overall the advice is sound.

Comment author: zslastman 03 March 2013 05:27:38PM 6 points [-]

This just begs the question of how to distinguish brick walls from insurmountable obstacles. Persistance is certainly a virtue, but there's a very large problem with asking successful people how to succeed. Many successful academics will tell you that you will succeed, provided you sacrifice enough of your time and happiness. Asking them creates a bias though. You'd better also ask the many, many post-docs who quit, burnt out and miserable, after being denied a faculty position for the umpteenth time. If you can't find some systematic difference you can use to succeed, then you're faced with a gamble. And human psychology pretty much guarantees the market will overvalue that gamble.