Qiaochu_Yuan comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 19, chapter 88-89 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 30 June 2013 09:57:07AM *  0 points [-]

I don't see any particular reason to believe that "lead it away, keep it off me" was anyone other than Hermione, and that she wasn't being named yet for dramatic tension. (Or something like Harry's inner narration temporarily refusing to accept that she was in danger.)

Comment author: RomeoStevens 02 July 2013 03:21:43AM 3 points [-]

I thought it was intuitive that this was depersonalized Harry Potter. I'm confused by all the confusion about it.

Comment author: linkhyrule5 30 June 2013 10:01:02AM 0 points [-]

Hermione was on the floor in ... one piece, technically... at the time, and we have good reason to believe that that really was Hermione.

Comment author: gwern 30 June 2013 04:27:44PM 1 point [-]

And we know Hermione was still capable of speech after that line because she tells Harry it wasn't his fault. The time traveler theory is a possibility but I don't see that line as indicating a lurking future Harry giving useless advice.

Comment author: linkhyrule5 30 June 2013 09:16:18PM *  2 points [-]

Yes, but why would she say "keep it off me" in that voice? I would be very, very impressed if Hermione managed anything other than a whisper or a scream in that state, unfortunately.

Also, it's hardly useless advice. For starters, if we assume that Harry didn't say anything, it probably caused F&G to give Harry enough time to act. It may also give future-Harry space to act; if he doesn't have to worry about avoiding a troll without leaving evidence, he'll probably have a lot easier time rescuing Hermione.

Comment author: gwern 30 June 2013 09:52:35PM 0 points [-]

Yes, but why would she say "keep it off me" in that voice?

What voice, precisely? There is no narrative text going '"Keep it off me", loudly said a proud confident masculine voice".

Comment author: linkhyrule5 02 July 2013 02:30:14AM 1 point [-]

"Keep it off me," as opposed to, iunno, "'k-keep... it off me...,' someone whispered"

About two minutes later Hermione was struggling to whisper "Not your fault," so I don't see her speaking audibly over a troll fight.

Comment author: fractalman 03 July 2013 02:14:30AM *  1 point [-]

she first yells, then has some appendages eaten off... yeah, that would reduce your stamina and energy pretty quickly.