RobbBB comments on Rationality Quotes September 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: RobbBB 02 September 2013 04:45:31AM 32 points [-]

Fallacy names are great for chunking something already understood. The problem is that most people who appeal to them don't understand them, and therefore mis-use them. If they spoke in descriptive phrases rather than in jargon, there would be less of an illusion of transparency and people would be more likely to notice that there are discrepancies in usage.

For instance, most people don't understand that not all personal attacks are ad hominem fallacies. The quotation encourages that particular mistake, inadvertently. So it indirectly provides evidence for its own thesis.

Comment author: private_messaging 03 September 2013 05:14:07PM 1 point [-]

Yeah, suppose someone argued instead that it should be OK to kill the other person and take their stuff. And were a convicted murderer.

Comment author: DanielLC 04 September 2013 06:40:55AM 1 point [-]

If you're assuming that they won't be punished if they convinced the other person, then that's true. That would be a conflict of interest and hint at them starting with the bottom line.

If you don't assume that, then it sounds like ad hominem combined with circular logic. Them being a murderer doesn't mean their argument is wrong. In fact, since they're living the conclusion, it's evidence that they actually believe it, and thus that it's write. Furthermore, them being a murderer is only bad if you already accept the conclusion that it's not OK to kill the other person and take their stuff.

Comment author: private_messaging 04 September 2013 08:25:12AM 1 point [-]

You can't say that whenever they are a murderer or not has no relation to the argument they're making, while you can say that for the face being ugly, though.