TheOtherDave comments on Rationality Quotes September 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 21 November 2013 02:18:43PM *  1 point [-]

Meanwhile out there in the real world, if you specifically want to get a job that requires you to speak Chinese, you are going to have to attend a course in Chinese, to actually learn Chinese. Unless you are actually native Chinese in which case you won't have to attend that course.

Though depending on the situation I might still find that it's useful to attend the course, so I can get certification as having gone through the course, which in the real world might be of more value than speaking Chinese without that certification.

And these sorts of certification-based (as opposed to skill-based) considerations apply to most disciplines as well.

And, of course, the fact that I'm applying for this job, which requires Chinese, is itself a choice I'm making, and we can ask why I'm making that choice, and to what extent my motives are status-seeking vs. truth-seeking vs. improvements-in-the-world-seeking vs. something else.

Conversely, if I am entirely uninterested in certification and I really am solely interested in learning Chinese for the intrinsic value of learning Chinese, I might find it's more useful not to attend a course, but instead study Chinese on my own (e.g. via online materials and spending my afternoons playing Mahjong in Chinatown).

Comment author: private_messaging 21 November 2013 07:07:03PM 3 points [-]

If you already speak Chinese, you'd just need to pass an exam, no course attached, and if you are a native speaker, you'd be correctly presumed to speak it better than someone who spent many years on a course, lived in China, etc.