Jiro comments on Torture vs. Dust Specks - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Jiro 26 March 2015 10:17:47PM 1 point [-]

I just wrote 20 because I have to write something, but there is a number. This number has a value, even if you don't know it. Pretend I put the real number there instead of 20.

Comment author: [deleted] 26 March 2015 10:24:32PM 1 point [-]

Yes, but still, what number? IF it is as I already suggested, the number for the amount of money that can be taken without ruining anyone, then I agree that we could take that amount of money instead of 1 dollar.

Comment author: dxu 27 March 2015 12:52:32AM 0 points [-]

the number for the amount of money that can be taken without ruining anyone

So you're saying there exists such a number, such that taking that amount of money from someone wouldn't ruin them, but taking that amount plus a tiny bit more (say, 1 cent) would?

Comment author: Jiro 27 March 2015 04:52:27AM 0 points [-]

I don't think you understand.

Yout original statement about $1 versus bankruptcy logically implies that there is a number such that that it is okay to take exactly that amount of money from a certain number of people, but wrong to take a very tiny amount more. Even though you don't know exactly what this number is, you know that it exists. Because this number is a logical consequence of what you said, you must be able to justify having such a number.

Comment author: [deleted] 27 March 2015 07:02:00AM 2 points [-]

Yes, in my last comment I agreed to it. There is such a number. I don't think you understand my reasons why, which I already explained. It is wrong to take a tiny amoint more, since that will ruin them. I can'tknow ecactly what that is since global and local economy isn`t that stable. Tapping out.