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Comment author: Lumifer 21 July 2015 04:37:11PM -2 points [-]

Among the different systems, social democracy has very rarely received full-throated support, but seems to have done among the best at handling the complexity of the values and value-systems that humans want to be materially represented in our societies.

<rolls eyes> ...among the various socio-political systems the one I prefer is the best one because it is the best... X-)

Comment author: [deleted] 21 July 2015 11:24:29PM *  -1 points [-]

Actually, in voting and activism, I'm a full-throated socialist. Social democracy is weaksauce next to a fully-developed socialism, but we don't have a fully-developed socialism, so you're often stuck with the weaksauce.

And as an object-level defense: social democracy, as far as I can tell, does the best at aggregating value information about diverse domains of life and keeping any one optimization criterion from running roughshod over everything else that people happen to care about.

Comment author: Lumifer 21 July 2015 11:36:06PM 0 points [-]

I'm a full-throated socialist

For which value of the word "socialism"?

And as an object-level defense

You just repeated your assertion, you didn't provide any arguments or evidence.

Comment author: Dahlen 22 July 2015 12:39:59AM 2 points [-]

You know, you don't have to jump on him and demand that he defends his socialist stance merely because he expressed it and tried to discuss it with someone else. It's not like he's answerable to you for being a socialist. And this is not the first time I've seen you and others intervene in a discussion (that otherwise didn't involve or concern them) solely for calling out people on leftist ideas. What the hell are you doing that for?

Comment author: [deleted] 22 July 2015 02:21:16AM 1 point [-]

Since he brought a downvote brigade, I'm indeed going to refrain from engaging. Those who want to know more can follow the link I posted up-thread, which goes to a leading socialist magazine to which I subscribe.

Comment author: Lumifer 22 July 2015 01:05:07AM -2 points [-]

you don't have to jump on him and demand that he defends his socialist stance merely because he expressed it

Demand? I can't demand anything. This is an internet forum, all eli_sennesh needs to do is just ignore my comment. That seems easy enough.

solely for calling out people on leftist ideas

It's not like it is something to be ashamed of, is it? If he says he is a "full-throated socialist" I get curious what does that mean. The last place that said it implemented a "fully-developed socialism" was USSR, but I don't think that's what eli_sennesh means.