paulfchristiano comments on Could a digital intelligence be bad at math? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: paulfchristiano 20 January 2016 05:38:47PM 4 points [-]

It's a bit hard for RNN's to learn, but they can end up much better than humans. (Also, the reason it is being used as a challenge is because it is a bit tricky but not very tricky.)

It is probably also easy to "teach" humans to be much better at math than we currently are (over evolutionary time), there's just no pressure for math performance. That seems like the most likely difference between humans and computers.

Comment author: gwern 20 January 2016 08:41:38PM *  2 points [-]

It's a bit hard for RNN's to learn, but they can end up much better than humans.

After some engineering effort. Researchers didn't just throw a random RNN at the problem in 1990 and found they worked as great as transistors at arithmetic... Plus, if you want to pick extremes (the best RNNs now), are the best RNNs better at adding or multiplying extremely large numbers than human savants?

Comment author: leplen 21 January 2016 01:22:28AM 1 point [-]

This raises a really interesting point that I wanted to include in the top level post, but couldn't find a place for. It seems plausible/likely that human savants are implementing arithmetic using different, and much more efficient algorithms than those used by neurotypical humans. This was actually one of the examples I considered in support of the argument that neurons can't be the underlying reason humans struggle so much with math.

Comment author: HungryHobo 21 January 2016 04:42:59PM 0 points [-]

It has only been in recent generations that arithmetic involving numbers of more than 2 or 3 digits has mattered to peoples wellbeing and survival. I doubt our brains are terribly well wired up for large numbers.