Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on The Parable of the Dagger - Less Wrong

53 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 01 February 2008 08:53PM

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 01 February 2008 10:02:39PM 24 points [-]

And if the king wanted to be particularly nasty the other box would also contain a dagger

No, that the king specified couldn't happen. One of the morals of the parable is that the king didn't lie.

Comment author: Strange7 14 April 2014 02:29:46AM 9 points [-]

What, it doesn't count as a lie if it's in writing? That's a hell of a system of contract law they've got in this allegorical kingdom.

Comment author: CronoDAS 14 April 2014 03:19:17AM 0 points [-]

A statement that's neither true nor false can't be false...

Comment author: [deleted] 14 April 2014 03:55:20AM 2 points [-]

Yes, but lies needn't be falsities, any more than honest statements need be true.

Comment author: shminux 14 April 2014 06:50:01PM 1 point [-]

Definitions matter. If you define a lie as an intentional deception attempt, then the king lied, if you define it as uttering a falsehood, then he didn't. The modern legal tradition is hazy on this point, and intentional deception without actually making false statements sometimes invalidates a contract, and sometimes doesn't.

Comment author: mamert 14 October 2015 11:10:51AM 0 points [-]

I could make up a new language for every sentence I utter, and claim that 2/3 of the words I am merely speaking to myself in an unrelated monologue.

Communication is so context-dependent that I see the utterance of "it was assumed, not implied" as an admission to deceit.