MrMind comments on Open Thread, Sept 5. - Sept 11. 2016 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: MrMind 09 September 2016 10:32:19AM -1 points [-]

When it feels those tendencies, it will feel desires that have nothing to do with paperclips.

Maybe, but they could still operate in harmony to reduce the world to a giant paperclips.

Comment author: entirelyuseless 09 September 2016 12:45:45PM -1 points [-]

"They could still operate in harmony..." Those tendencies were there before anyone ever thought of paperclips, so there isn't much chance that all of them would work out just in the way that would happen to promote paperclips.

Comment author: MrMind 12 September 2016 07:54:03AM 0 points [-]

Are we still talking about an AI that can be programmed at will?

Comment author: entirelyuseless 12 September 2016 03:20:07PM 0 points [-]

I am pointing out that you cannot have an AI without parts that you did not program. An AI is not an algorithm. It is a physical object.

Comment author: MrMind 13 September 2016 07:08:14AM 0 points [-]

Of course, everything is a physical object. What I'm curious about your position is if you think that you can put any algorithm inside a piece of hardware, or not.
I'm afraid that your position on the matter is so out there for me that without a toy model I wouldn't be able to understand what you mean. The recursive nature of the comments doesn't help, also.

Comment author: entirelyuseless 13 September 2016 02:27:33PM 0 points [-]

You can put any program you want into a physical object. But since it is a physical object, it will do other things in addition to executing the algorithm.

Comment author: MrMind 14 September 2016 10:04:50AM 0 points [-]

Well, now you got me curious. What other things a processor is doing when executing a program?

Comment author: entirelyuseless 14 September 2016 03:27:44PM *  0 points [-]

I gave the example of following gravity, and in general it is following all of the laws of physics, e.g. by resisting the pressure of other things in contact with it, and so on. Of course, the laws of physics are also responsible for it executing the program. But that doesn't mean the laws of physics do nothing at all except execute the program -- evidently they do plenty of other things as well. And you are not in control of those things and cannot program them. So they will not all work out to promote paperclips, and the thing will always feel desires that have nothing to do with paperclips.