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Comment author: entirelyuseless 11 September 2016 03:23:06PM 0 points [-]

This is a very weak argument, since it might simply show that coherent epistemology leads to everyone becoming religious, or neo-reactionary.

In other words, your arguments just says "very intelligent people disagree with me, so that must be because of perverse values."

It could also just be that you are wrong.

Comment author: MrMind 12 September 2016 07:51:16AM 0 points [-]

Uhm, it's evident I've not made my argument very clear (which is not a surprise, since I've wrote that stub in less than a minute).

Let me rephrase it in a way that addresses your point:

"Value alignment is very hard, because two people, both very intelligent and with a mostly coherent epistemology, can radically differ in their values because of a very tiny difference.
Think for example to neoreactionaries or rationalists converted to religions: they have a mostly coherent set of beliefs, often diverging from atheist or progressive rationalists in very few points."

Comment author: entirelyuseless 12 September 2016 03:23:32PM *  0 points [-]

I am saying that is a difference in belief, not in values, or not necessarily in values.

Comment author: MrMind 13 September 2016 07:11:13AM 0 points [-]

They want to steer the future in a different direction than what I want, so by definition they have different values (they might be instrumental values, but those are important too).

Comment author: entirelyuseless 13 September 2016 02:29:42PM 0 points [-]

Ok, but in this sense every human being has different values by definition, and always will.