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Comment author: Brillyant 18 October 2016 08:42:20PM -2 points [-]

In particular did you know about the different rates of murder commited by blacks and whites before posting the OC?

I don't think I knew that particular stat was an empirical fact, though I wasn't surprised by it. My view, generally, was that blacks in America earned less, had higher incarceration rates, etc. The causes interest me.

Do you have any evidence for this belief? If so, why haven't you presented it anywhere in this thread?

I believe all three of my points are basically non-controversial, specifically #2 and #3. #1 is true in at least some cases based on many, many experiences I've had. How widespread racial bias is, and to what extent it effects people, is the crux of the matter in my view.

Or does "bias" in this case mean that the cops understand the differences in murder rates?

I'm not sure I understand what you mean...

Comment author: chron 19 October 2016 12:06:31AM *  2 points [-]

I don't think I knew that particular stat was an empirical fact, though I wasn't surprised by it. My view, generally, was that blacks in America earned less, had higher incarceration rates, etc. The causes interest me.

Well, the proximate cause of them having higher incarceration rates is them having higher crime rates. The reason for the higher crime rates isn't directly relevant to the discussion of police "racial bias".

1) is true in at least some cases based on many, many experiences I've had.

How did this "racial bias" manifest itself? Them acting like they believed blacks were more likely to be criminals than whites. Or even willingness to shoot a black who was running at him and grabing for his gun?

Comment author: Brillyant 19 October 2016 12:55:13AM -2 points [-]

The reason for the higher crime rates isn't directly relevant to the discussion of police "racial bias".

It's not? How do you know?

Police bias seems likes it could be directly related to crime rates (since it's the cops who do the arresting).

How did this "racial bias" manifest itself? Them acting like they believed blacks were more likely to be criminals than whites.

Judgements based only on race.

Or even willingness to shoot a black who was running at him and grabing for his gun?

I'm not arguing every white cop who shoots a black person is racist. Not even close. I'm trying to understand what impact implicit racial bias might have in policing.

Good chat. I'm out.

Comment author: chron 19 October 2016 01:32:58AM 1 point [-]

The reason for the higher crime rates isn't directly relevant to the discussion of police "racial bias".

It's not? How do you know?

Police bias seems likes it could be directly related to crime rates (since it's the cops who do the arresting).

I'm not sure what your trying to say here? Are you saying that police framing black suspects is responsible for the statistics showing blacks being over seven times for likely to commit murder than whites, because that's the only way police bias could be the cause of the crime rates.

How did this "racial bias" manifest itself? Them acting like they believed blacks were more likely to be criminals than whites.

Judgements based only on race.

Well blacks are over seven times more likely to commit a murder than whites so you've failed to establish that the judgement was irrational.

I'm not arguing every white cop who shoots a black person is racist. Not even close.

Well somehow every prominent example sited by the type of people arguing for police being "racially biased" up on investigation turns out to be similarly justified.

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