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Bugmaster comments on Failed Utopia #4-2 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Bugmaster 09 May 2012 09:01:52PM 0 points [-]

In a few decades, when the smoke clears, the human civilization will consist solely of gay and bi people. They are the ones who will keep advancing the culture, while all the straight people stagnate with their super-spouses.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 09 May 2012 09:14:46PM 0 points [-]

If I accept the premise of the story, it seems to follow that the bi people will also hook up with the superstimulus opposite-sex partners, since they are so much more rewarding than the ordinary same-sex partners.

Comment author: Bugmaster 09 May 2012 09:30:24PM 1 point [-]

One of the key aspects of the story was that men and women got segregated by gender; just to be thorough, the AI put each gender on its own planet. Presumably, merely pairing them up with superstimulus partners was not enough; physical separation was required, as well. So... under this gender-segregation scheme, where would the people who are capable of experiencing same-sex attraction go ?

Comment author: MarkusRamikin 09 May 2012 09:30:49PM 1 point [-]

And I wouldn't assume the AI planned for gay people to be less happy... there are other habitable bodies in the solar system.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 10 May 2012 03:00:01AM 4 points [-]

Sure. Though if I'm to take the need for segregation seriously, it seems to follow that each gay person needs their own planet. It's kind of like the "problem" of creating bathrooms in which nobody can ever be sexually attracted to another patron of the same bathroom... straight people can simply be gender-segregated, but gay people need single-person bathrooms. (Or, well, at most two-person bathrooms.)

Comment author: rkyeun 28 July 2012 10:20:26PM *  0 points [-]

The genie is prohibited from directly manipulating minds, but nothing says that door to the outside leads to the outside and not to the holodeck. Symbolism aside, everyone can still be in their cells, bi or not, and thusly segregated despite location.

And whatever the sexual characteristics of a verthandi or boreana, they are likely designed with bisexual-pleasing capabilities in mind, in weird ways. The genie does know us better than we know ourselves. And this is an aspect it would care about. Using your current mind-equipment, you literally cannot imagine the sex they give. The genie has considered more and designed better than you can.

Comment author: rkyeun 28 July 2012 10:23:30PM *  0 points [-]

Drat. I meant for this to reply to Bugmaster, and confused your comment with it. The resulting comment is a hybrid meant for some chimera of the two of you which does not exist.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 28 July 2012 11:40:58PM 1 point [-]

You've now got me curious what a blending of me and Bugmaster would say in response to your comment.