Thanks to Jesse Richardson for discussion.

Polymarket asks: will Jesus Christ return in 2025?

In the three days since the market opened, traders have wagered over $100,000 on this question. The market traded as high as 5%, and is now stably trading at 3%. Right now, if you wanted to, you could place a bet that Jesus Christ will not return this year, and earn over $13,000 if you're right.

There are two mysteries here: an easy one, and a harder one.

The easy mystery is: if people are willing to bet $13,000 on "Yes", why isn't anyone taking them up?

The answer is that, if you wanted to do that, you'd have to put down over $1 million of your own money, locking it up inside Polymarket through the end of the year. At the end of that year, you'd get 1% returns on your investment. And you can do so much better on the stock market, or even in U.S. treasury bonds.

So that's why no one is buying the market down to 1%. But the real mystery is: why is anyone participating in the market on the "Yes" side? Like, who is betting that Jesus will return this year, and why?

Here are a few answers I came up with:

  • [True Believers] Maybe these people really believe that there's a 3% chance that Christ will return this year!
  • [Incorrect Resolution] Maybe the "Yes" people are betting that the market will be resolved incorrectly (that there's a 3% chance that the market will resolve "Yes" even though Christ will not return in 2025).
  • [The Memes] Maybe the "Yes" people are buying "Yes" for the lulz. It's kinda fun to tell people that you bet that Jesus Christ would return this year!

But none of these hypotheses ring true to me:

  • The True Believers hypothesis rings false because that would be a frankly ridiculous belief to hold. Sometimes people profess ridiculous things, but very few of them put their money where their mouth is on prediction markets.[1]
  • The Incorrect Resolution hypothesis rings false because, while there's some chance of an incorrect resolution, it's really unlikely to be as high as 3%. Polymarket has a lot of reputation to lose by incorrectly resolving this market, and would almost certainly override its consensus-based resolution mechanism if it came to that.
  • The Memes hypothesis is more plausible, but I think ultimately false. Several people have spent hundreds of dollars betting yes, which is a lot of money to spend for the memes.

So I asked my friend Jesse, who trades on Polymarket, and he had a pretty interesting theory:

  • [Time Value of Money] The Yes people are betting that, later this year, their counterparties (the No betters) will want cash (to bet on other markets), and so will sell out of their No positions at a higher price.

In other words: right now, there's not much interesting stuff happening on Polymarket. People are spending a lot of money betting on sports, but not much else. But at some point in 2025, other markets will get a lot of attention. The New York mayoral election is happening this year. Pope Francis is in poor health, so there may be a new pope this year. God forbid China invade Taiwan, but such an invasion would result in many interesting markets. Right now, all these markets have mere single-digit millions of dollars in trading volume, but that could very easily change.

And if it changes, some of the people betting No on Christ's return will want to unlock that money -- that is, sell their "No" shares -- so that they can use it to bet on other markets. If enough people want to sell their "No" shares, the "Yes" holders may be able to sell out at an elevated price, like 6%, potentially getting a 2x return on their investment!

The Time Value of Money hypothesis posits that the Yes bettors are more sophisticated than they look. In finance, time value of money is the idea that a dollar today is worth more than a dollar tomorrow, because you can do things with that dollar, such as making bets. The Yes traders are betting that the time value of Polymarket cash will go up unexpectedly: that other traders will be short on cash to place bets with, and will at some point be willing to pay a premium to free up the cash that they spent betting against Jesus.

Has this galaxy-brained trade ever gone well? Yes! In late October of last year -- a week before the election -- Kamala Harris was trading around 0.3% in safe red states like Kentucky, while Donald Trump was trading around 0.3% in safe blue states like Massachusetts. On election day, these prices skyrocketed to about 1.5%, because "No" bettors desperately needed cash to place other bets on the election. Traders who bought "Yes" for 0.3% in late October and sold at 1.5% on election day made a 5x profit! This means that even though Harris only had a 0.1% chance[2] of winning Kentucky, the "correct" price for the Kentucky market to trade at was more like 1.5%.

 

This means that the Jesus Christ market is quite interesting! You could make it even more interesting by replacing it with "This Market Will Resolve No At The End Of 2025": then it would be purely a market on how much Polymarket traders will want money later in the year.[3] As long as there is disagreement about the future time value of Polymarket cash, there will be trades, and then trading price will be above zero. The more that traders expect to want cash later in the year, the higher the market will trade.

(If Polymarket cash were completely fungible with regular cash, you'd expect the Jesus market to reflect the overall interest rate of the economy. In practice, though, getting money into Polymarket is kind of annoying (you need crypto) and illegal for Americans. Plus, it takes a few days, and trade opportunities often evaporate in a matter of minutes or hours! And that's not to mention the regulatory uncertainty: maybe the US government will freeze Polymarket's assets and traders won't be able to get their money out?)

What kinds of years see a high time value of Polymarket cash? Election years. As late as June, Polymarket had Democrats with a 6.5% chance of winning Kentucky (and this was typical of the safe states), even though the actual probability was more like 1%.[4] This means that traders were forgoing a relatively safe 16% annualized return, just so that they could have cash now to make other bets with! If there had been a "will Christ return in 2024" market, I bet it would have traded higher than 3% around this time last year: maybe more like 5%.

And so, you heard it here first: Jesus Christ will probably return in an election year (at least if you believe the prediction markets)!

 

 

  1. ^

    I’ve seen some pretty mispriced markets. At one point in 2019, PredictIt had Andrew Yang at 16% to win the Democratic presidential primary. And in 2020, Donald Trump was about 16% to become president even after he had lost the election. But the sorts of people who bet on prediction markets are not the sorts of fundamentalist Christians who think that Jesus Christ has a high chance of returning this year.

  2. ^

    So says Nate Silver’s model in late October, and I agree.

  3. ^

    Jesse points out that “the Jesus market should trade really low” is potentially a really good metric for evaluating the efficiency of prediction markets, and that prediction markets should aim to structure their mechanisms in a way that makes markets like this one trade really low. Manifold Markets has experimented with giving out loans for basically this purpose, although this seems much safer to do with fake money than real money.

  4. ^

    After the election, Polymarket changed the labels from “Democrat” and “Republican” to “Harris” and “Trump”, but the labels said “Democrat” and “Republican” at the time.

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Top Manifold user Semiotic Rivalry said on Twitter that he knows the top Yes holders, that they are very smart, and that the Time Value of Money hypothesis is part of (but not the whole) story. The other part has to do with how Polymarket structures rewards for traders who provide liquidity.

https://x.com/SemioticRivalry/status/1904261225057251727

Several people have spent hundreds of dollars betting yes, which is a lot of money to spend for the memes.

 

there are a nontrivial number of people who would regularly spend a few hundred dollars for the memes.

Yep. Meme NFTs are an existence proof of such people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_non-fungible_tokens

[-]TsviBT1515

[The Memes] Maybe the "Yes" people are buying "Yes" for the lulz. It's kinda fun to tell people that you bet that Jesus Christ would return this year!

Maybe you mean this expansively, but it doesn't ring true to me as stated because my main guess for many / most bettors would be more serious: they're "manifesting" or "hyperstitioning"--or more generally, they think there's some good effect from nudging other peoples's sense of what is other peoples's investment in 2nd-coming worlds.

This means that the Jesus Christ market is quite interesting! You could make it even more interesting by replacing it with "This Market Will Resolve No At The End Of 2025": then it would be purely a market on how much Polymarket traders will want money later in the year.

It's unclear how this market would resolve. I think you meant something more like a market on "2+2=5"?

The market named "This Market Will Resolve No At The End Of 2025" will resolve to No at the end of 2025. Like it says in its title. What's unclear about this?

They (and initially I) read it as a question: "True or false: this market will resolve No at the end of 2025?"

Ohh I see. Do you have a suggested rephrasing?

I don't think there's a way to resolve it? It will basically always be a prediction on the reliability of the statement.

I thought about this a bit more, and I'm worried that this is going to be a long-running problem for the reliability of prediction markets for low-probability events. 

Most of the problems we currently observe seem like "teething issues" that can be solved with higher liquidity, lower transaction costs, and better design (for example, by having bets denominated in S&P 500 or other stock portfolios rather than $s). But if you should understand "yes" predictions for many of those markets as an implicit bet on differing variances of time value of money in the future, it might be hard to construct a good design that gets around these issues to allow the markets to reflect true probabilities, especially for low-probability events.

(I'm optimistic that it's possible, unlike some other issues, but this one seems thornier than most).

for example, by having bets denominated in S&P 500 or other stock portfolios rather than $s

Bets should be denominated in the risk-free rate. Prediction markets should invest traders' money into T-bills and pay back the winnings plus interest.

I believe that should be a good enough incentive to make prediction markets a good investment if you can find positive-EV bets that aren't perfectly correlated with equities (or other risky assets).

(For Polymarket the situation is a bit more complicated because it uses crypto.)

I think in an ideal world we'd have prediction markets structured around several different levels of investment risk, so that people with different levels of investment risk tolerance can make bets (and we might also observe fascinating differences if the odds diverge, eg if AGI probabilities are massively different between S&P 500 bets and T-bills bets, for example). 

[-]Ben40

Wouldn't higher liquidity and lower transaction costs sort this out? Say you have some money tied up in "No, Jesus will not return this year", but you really want to bet on some other thing. If transaction costs were completely zero then, even if you have your entire net worth tied up in "No Jesus" bets you could still go to a bank, point out you have this more-or-less guaranteed payout on the Jesus market, and you want to borrow against it or sell it to the bank. Then you have money now to spend. This would not in any serious way shift the prices of the "Jesus will return" market because that market is of essentially zero size compared to the size of the banks that will be loaning against or buying the "No" bets.

With low enough transaction costs the time value of money is the same across the whole economy, so buying "yes" shares in Jesus would be competing against a load of other equivalent trades in every other part of the economy. I think selling shares for cash would be one of these, you are expecting loads of people to suddenly want to sell assets for cash in the future, so selling your assets for cash now so you can buy more assets later makes sense.

IMO in real world examples (not meme examples like this religious one) tail risk will often dominate the price calculation, not time value. Time value seems relevant here only because the tail risk is zero. (Both buyer and seller agree that probability of yes on this market is zero)

Let’s say actual probability of some event is 3% yes and both parties agree on this. It still could be rational for a larger investor to buy no and a small investor to buy yes at 2.5% for example. Insurance market is analogous to this, it is possible for both the insurance buyer and seller to be rational at the same time because there is transfer of tail risk. The only person who can rationally accept a 2.5% chance of a $1B portfolio going to zero is someone who owns over $10B. (Assuming a utility function that makes sense for a human being) So it’s the largest investors and ultimately federal banks who absorb most of the tail risk of society.

Also ofcourse not everyone is rational when it comes to avoiding taking on tail risk, 2008 financial crisis is an example of this. Beyond a point if federal banks can’t absorb the tail risk they diffuse the losses to everyone.

I’m guessing the actual reason you’re interested in this is because you want prediction markets on existential questions, and there too the actual question is who absorbs the tail risk of society on behalf of everyone else.

P.S. In markets that are not low probability, variance of asset price (not just time value) will matter when constructing optimal portfolio. So sharpe ratio is a better metric to study than expected value. In general I guess people without financial background are not used to thinking about variance risk and tail risk.

Keep in mind their goal is to take money from gambling addicts, not predict the future.

Seeing this, I update toward a heuristic of "all polymarket variation within 4 percentage points are noise".

I think the math works out to be that the variation is much more extreme when you get to much more extreme probabilities. Going from 4% to 8% is 2x profits, but going from 50% to 58% is only 1.16x profits.

For binary contract markets, when the midpoint between the bid and the ask is less than 0.1 or greater than 0.9, you need to have orders both above and under it to earn daily liquidity rewards. This creates an incentive to place bid orders even if you think the market cannot resolve positive.

I suspect that many people in the rationalist community have a blind spot about prediction markets, and see them as some kind of cooperative effort to make true predictions.

Instead, from the financial perspective, they are zero-sum games, and the best players play accordingly. If making the correct prediction is the winning move, so be it. If it is something else, that works, too.

I suspect that anonymous prediction markets (where people cannot get famous as superforecasters, only either gain or lose money) would make even better predictions that the current ones where many people have a conflict of interest.

Isn't Polymarket already anonymous?

[Time Value of Money] The Yes people are betting that, later this year, their counterparties (the No betters) will want cash (to bet on other markets), and so will sell out of their No positions at a higher price.

How does this strategy compare to shorting bonds? Both have the same payoff structure (they make money if the discount rate goes up) but it's not clear to me which is a better deal. I suppose it depends on whether you expect Polymarket investors to have especially high demand for cash.

Yeah, I think the time value of Polymarket cash doesn't track the time value of money in the global economy especially closely:

If Polymarket cash were completely fungible with regular cash, you'd expect the Jesus market to reflect the overall interest rate of the economy. In practice, though, getting money into Polymarket is kind of annoying (you need crypto) and illegal for Americans. Plus, it takes a few days, and trade opportunities often evaporate in a matter of minutes or hours! And that's not to mention the regulatory uncertainty: maybe the US government will freeze Polymarket's assets and traders won't be able to get their money out?

And so it's not unreasonable to have opinions on the future time value of Polymarket cash that differs substantially from your opinions on the future time value of money.

The True Believers hypothesis rings false because that would be a frankly ridiculous belief to hold. Sometimes people profess ridiculous things, but very few of them put their money where their mouth is on prediction markets. [1]

  1. I’ve seen some pretty mispriced markets. At one point in 2019, PredictIt had Andrew Yang at 16% to win the Democratic presidential primary. And in 2020, Donald Trump was about 16% to become president even after he had lost the election. But the sorts of people who bet on prediction markets are not the sorts of fundamentalist Christians who think that Jesus Christ has a high chance of returning this year.

yes, no one would put a large amount of money (say, $10,000) on let's say a 1-year time horizon, "joe biden going to prison", "barack obama going to prison", "nancy pelosi, bill clinton, and hillary clinton going to prison", "trump being put in office prior to the 2024 election", and if someone did make such a bet, they wouldn't be motivated by listening to a christian minister who regularly makes political / religious prophecies. surely no one would do that.

i don't know why anyone who posts on a forum devoted to outright fringe beliefs and atypical personality traits (i say with all love and kindness, not to say that any of us are bad or incorrect for these beliefs, merely that they are objectively abnormal) is going to come out and make bold claims that there exists no such weirdo who is willing to do X for Y reasons.

the main point about the time value of money is interesting enough on it's own, but the interesting, nerd-crack explanation is probably just not true. there are probably just crazy people who bet on the return of jesus christ.

Empirically, the "nerd-crack explanation" seems to have been (partially) correct, see here.

I think this would be fixed if they didn't force yes and no to add to 100%. If they have the same interest rate, the price ratio would reveal the true odds.

The problem is you're forcing a one year loan for $1 to add up to $1 in the present. It should add up to less than $1.

Polymarket has a lot of reputation to lose by incorrectly resolving this market

I imagine that having a “Jesus returns this year” question at 3% affirmative is also not very good for their reputation.

Yeah, honestly I have no idea why Polymarket created this question.

Marketing. It was odd enough for you to post about on LW!

Hypothetical conversation:

"You gotta prepare for the second coming, man, it's this year!"

"It is not. Stop telling me that."

"It is! The signs are all there! Do you even portents, bro?"

"I told you it's not happening."

"We work at a prediction market. I'll buy yes. It's happening."

"No you won't. You know it isn't."

"I so will, make the market."

"This is stupid, I'm eating lunch."

"Let's make the market, dude."

"Ugh, fine, it's going to zero so fast."

"More money for me!"

Without assigning my own normative judgment, isn't this just standard trader behavior/professional ethics? It seems simple enough to justify thus:

Two parties want to make a bet (trade). I create a platform to facilitate such a bet (trade). Both parties are better off by their own lights after such a trade. I helped them do something that makes them each happier, and make a healthy profit doing so. As long as I'm not doing something otherwise underhanded/unethical, what's the problem here?

I don't think it's conceptually any different from e.g. offering memecoins on your crypto exchange, or (an atheist) selling religious texts on Amazon.

Oh, I don't think it was at all morally bad for Polymarket to make this market -- just not strategic, from the standpoint of having people take them seriously.

How serious are they about respectability and people taking them seriously in the short term vs selfishly wanting more money and altruistically just wanting to make prediction markets more popular?

This is not a great No bet at current odds even if you are certain the event will not happen. The market resolves Dec 31, which means that you have to lock up your cash for about 9 months for about a 3% rate of return. The best CDs are currently paying around 4-4.5% for 6mo-1y terms. So even for people who bought No at 96% it seems like a bad trade, since you're getting less than the effective risk-free rate, and you're not getting compensated for the additional idiosyncratic risk (e.g. Polymarket resolves to yes because shenanigans, polymarket gets hacked, etc).

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