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29 Post author: Raemon 24 December 2010 04:57AM

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Comment author: XiXiDu 24 December 2010 07:52:26PM *  6 points [-]

And I expect that for cows, pigs, and certainly chickens.

Certainly chickens? Do you think birds are generally less intelligent/self-aware than mammals?

Some birds, especially corvids and parrots, are among the most intelligent animal species; a number of bird species have been observed manufacturing and using tools, and many social species exhibit cultural transmission of knowledge across generations. Wikipedia

Also see the following links that indicate how similar/intelligent some other species might be:

So far, mammals are born, they live, they experience emotions positive and negative, and they die. How much sense does it make to adopt a moral system which thinks we are wrong for just doing what nature has very many animals do for millions of years?

Morality is not a prescriptive natural law. There is no imperative here. Personally I want to minimize suffering as much as I can. That means that I am going to kill an (subjectively) inferior being to survive. But I am living in a western country, having enough money to effort a healthy diet without inflicting additional suffering for the pleasure of eating meat. Surely if you assign higher utility to eating meat than negative utility to killing other beings, that's completely rational. But you seem to be committing the naturalistic fallacy here.