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John_Maxwell_IV comments on Open Thread, April 1-15, 2012 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 01 April 2012 07:15:17PM 1 point [-]

Maybe rationalists don't like being casually labeled as something they are trying very hard not to be (religious)?

Comment author: shminux 01 April 2012 08:26:32PM 0 points [-]

Then they should have a ready answer why pattern matching with a religious idea is incorrect.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 01 April 2012 09:05:42PM *  8 points [-]

What do you mean, "incorrect"? Matching a concept generates connotational inferences, some of which are true, while others don't hold. If the weight of such incorrect inferences is great enough, using that category becomes misleading, in which case it's best to avoid. Just form a new category, and attach the attributes that do fit, without attaching those that don't.

If you are still compelled to make analogies with existing categories that poorly match, point out specific inferences that you are considering in forming an analogy. For example, don't just say "Is cryonics like a religion?", but "Cryonics promises immortality (just as many religions do); does it follow that its claims are factually incorrect (just as religions' claims are)?" Notice that the inference is only suggested by the analogy, but it's hard to make any actual use of it to establish the claim's validity.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 01 April 2012 08:35:58PM *  4 points [-]

Cryonics can both be a good idea and pattern match onto something religious.

People want immortality. Religions have exploited this fact by promising immortality to converts. Then a plausible scheme for immortality comes along and it looks like a religion.