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You seem well-intentioned and interesting. I wish you well on your journeys. I will tell you, my goal is this: to serve God, and to save humanity. My immediate goal is this: to lose credibility as fast as is fucking possible, because the world is way scarier than I thought it was.
I would recommend taking some time to double-check this before doing something hard to undo.
Keep in mind Eliezer's mistake with the basilisk. Based on a quick analysis, he decided the best course of action was to stop thinking about it and encourage others to do likewise. The problem (assuming my model of him is correct) is that since he stopped thinking about it, he didn't realize his initial analysis was wrong. In fact as far as I know, he still hasn't realized it.
How much time do you recommend? The thing is I already didn't like credibility, so this new action isn't a drastic change, just a quickening.
I'm actually not sure what you have in mind here. We might want to discuss this via PM. (Obviously I'm already familiar with the basilisk and the class of problems it's representative of.)
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See here for example.
It isn't a matter of time as much as making sure you're actually spending that time thinking about the issue and not just repeating the same thoughts. Maybe get a second opinion.
Any particular reason for this?
I think you're underestimating how carefully Eliezer and other SingInst folk have considered these ideas, especially in the wake of the Roko drama. Remember the main concept even showed up on SL4 years ago, which is actually how I learned of it. (That is, considered the ideas themselves, not the social strategies resulting—I'll note that the Catholics, who have the cultural wisdom, don't seem to have suppressed the knowledge of demons and ostracized people who demonized them, even if they went so far as to kill people who tried to commune with them. That said, suppressing that knowledge just wouldn't have been possible 'til after the Enlightenment. Also the Catholics might not have had good intentions.)
This is surprisingly hard to do in my current situation. If you're lucky you might guess the reasons why.
There are lots of reasons, they all have to do with group epistemology and personal moral-epistemic practices. I'll note that Steve Rayhawk, who is much smarter than me and almost certainly knows all of the arguments better than I do, seems to be equally obsessive in the exact opposite direction. But this isn't a place where I should update on expected evidence—if you don't know why you're doing something, you won't do it the right way.
Some theories:
a) You've figured out a way to summon demons and want to destroy your own credibility so that people don't flow the train of thought in your old posts and figure it out also. If so all I can say is that security by obscurity generally doesn't work.
b) You're getting possessed by demons and what to destroy your credibility to minimize the damage possessed!Will can do.
Summoning demons ain't that hard, just hone your mathy AI and Hofstadter skills and find a silicon ritual device.
Even denying stuff gives too much evidence (correctly assuming people mostly believe such denials).
We should talk privately if we're to get into any real discussion. No promises of anything, of course.
Getting possessed by demons sounds harder, in that context. I can compile simple algorithms to my brain and, say, sort an ordered set of stuff faster than I could have before I learned any programming. But that's about my limit. I know you're a few standard deviations up at mental modeling, but are you good enough to become possessed?
Maybe not me, I'm not an AI programmer. A friend of mine has been AIXI for a few hours though, after taking certain substances at a certain famous event in a certain famous desert.
Well, don't leave us twisting in the wind, Will - what did he witness?
Heh, I'll bet the Bayesian Conspiracy camp was a lot of fun. Hopefully he didn't start eating his own head for more computational resources.
I suspect it involves taking various mind-altering substances.
Well, he has spoken of letting himself be influenced by spirits.
As I read more of this thread, I come to realize that you may actually have a good point. Now I'm curious. I'm going to PM you.
If you know the Jesuit mottos you must have known that the world is much scarier than you can imagine for a long time. Combining obviously false claims with other claims less obviously false causes me, and I would presume others in your intended audience, to question your less obviously false claims.
Certainly the effect this thread has on me is not to reduce your credibility to me. And I would claim that ranting crazily and throwing in semi-obvious errors of fact and logic would be a much more effective way to lower your credibility, and it seems obvious enough that you know this.
So your goal is not to lose credibility as fast as is possible (fucking or otherwise). You do lie. I must wonder if your goal is to serve god and to serve humanity or not.
So far, we are in a room with a lot of messy hay and horseshit. There MUST be a pony in here somewhere. Is it the fallacy of this kind of reasoning that you are trying to make us realize?
That makes sense from a simulationist perspective, you're trying to diminish your impact within the simulation, getting away as far as possible from being a nexus.
Why?
So that resources are allocated away from you, if you take the simulation to be a dynamic - if mindless - process?
Or because you are afraid you're otherwise going to ... draw attention to yourself? From ... your simulators? You might call them god, or maybe they might not like that.
You'd have to strike a careful balance, become too insignificant and you might just be demoted to NPC status, being down NICE'ed, so to speak.