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Comment author: Lumifer 21 May 2014 03:43:39PM *  7 points [-]

improved political forecasting is good. .... Why is improved forecasting not zero sum?

For the simple reason that politics is not zero-sum, foreign policy included.

Comment author: [deleted] 21 May 2014 05:25:54PM 0 points [-]

cooperation is not zero sum. Why does better forecasting lead to more cooperation?

I would guess that it does--but if somebody hasn't seriously addressed this then I don't think I'm doing foreign policy questions on GJP Season 4

Comment author: Lumifer 21 May 2014 05:42:54PM 1 point [-]

cooperation is not zero sum. Why does better forecasting lead to more cooperation?

Zero-sum means any actions of the participants do not change the total. Either up or down.

A nuclear exchange between US and Russia would not be zero-sum, to give an example. Better forecasting might reduce its chance by lessening the opportunities for misunderstanding, e.g. when one side mistakenly thinks the other side is bluffing.

As to more cooperation, better forecasting implies better understanding of the other side which implies less uncertainty about consequences which implies more trust which implies more cooperation.

Comment author: [deleted] 21 May 2014 06:11:19PM -2 points [-]

How about the governments of the US and Russia correctly forecast that more hostility means more profits for their cronies, and increase military spending?

Comment author: Lumifer 21 May 2014 06:32:11PM 0 points [-]

How about the governments of the US and Russia correctly forecast that more hostility means more profits for their cronies, and increase military spending?

Yes, and..?

If you want something that comes with ironclad guarantees that it leads to only goodness and light, go talk to Jesus. That's his domain.

Comment author: falenas108 22 May 2014 03:50:51PM -1 points [-]

That would still not be zero-sum. Which direction you think it is depends on your views.