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Comment author: Clarity 09 November 2015 09:24:32AM 0 points [-]

Hypothetically, say I'm an independent politician, or a politician from a minor party, in a Governments senate. The ruling party or their opposition has promised me a diplomatic appointment after my term in parliament ends in return for my support in certain things. Given that politicians frequently lie, and if I leave parliament I will have minimal media clout thereafter, can I somehow use a smart contract or some kind of political manoeuvre to ensure compliance without revealing the nature of the agreement prematurely, which may damage the clout of my associates and political allies?

Comment author: ChristianKl 09 November 2015 11:13:16AM 2 points [-]

I don't think you have a good model of politics. Politics is about people. A promise like this isn't made by "the ruling party" but by individual politicians of that party.

Political cooperation also frequently comes with the sharing of documents and other secrets that are not for public consumption.

Comment author: Clarity 11 November 2015 09:28:29AM 1 point [-]

So...what exactly is wrong with my question?

Comment author: [deleted] 09 November 2015 10:37:07AM 2 points [-]

What are you trying to achieve by posting these very specific hypothetical situations? The common theme seems to be "how one can adequately protect oneself, given future plans that somehow undermine one's present position" but the specific circumstances vary too much.

Comment author: Clarity 11 November 2015 09:30:45AM *  0 points [-]

Wow, I didn't realise that commonality. I'll have to think this through for a bit.

I'm plainly trying to understand my strategic environment. The question isn't really that much of an abstraction from reality. I currently work in politics (but I'm not a politician nor work for the hypothetical senator).

Comment author: [deleted] 11 November 2015 12:35:11PM 0 points [-]

I was especially thinking of a previous comment (maybe in another open thread) about a hypothetical PhD researcher working for industry but interested in revealing some confidential information later on. Having seen that comment which seemed to lack awareness of the kinds of legal agreements that are made in such cases, when I saw this one I wondered whether it was another "outsider" hypothetical with a more general goal.

I work in research, not in politics so I can't offer any suggestions on this one.

Comment author: Clarity 11 November 2015 08:21:55PM 0 points [-]

Ah yes, the 'would this constitute inside trading' hypothetical. Yes, that was also an NOT abstraction of a real situation, perhaps maybe, plausible deniability. I think I'm just privy to a lot of risk taking behaviour by people who are willing to risk current positions for future ones.

Comment author: PipFoweraker 14 November 2015 04:12:11AM 0 points [-]

One area to explore would be the concept of smart contracts, currently best exampled by experiments with blockchain technology - Ethereum and transparency in prediction markets would have places to start. One possible solution to a real-world non-criminal application of that problem would be to hire a neutral third party with appropriate confidentiality trust - like a lawyer - to create an agreement, witness it, and hold it in trust.

This becomes less reliable when you start delving into the ethical problems outlined by other responders if you're trying to create something deniable, but you can probably work around that with an 'if-then' agreement with a lawyer and a pre-sealed envelope.