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Comment author: lukeprog 29 August 2011 05:10:00PM *  11 points [-]

I don't understand this bit about my 'My Olympus' mentality. Until very recently I wasn't on SI's full-time staff. And as far as I can tell, I've spent vastly more time substantiating what I say by citing the relevant scientific literature (rather than relying on whatever personal authority I'm supposed to have, which I don't think is much at all) than anyone else on Less Wrong.

And no, I don't expect everyone to "fall in line or otherwise swoon." It's just that I don't have time to write up a 20-citation research article supporting every sentence I write. If the reasons that led me to write a certain sentence aren't available to you, as is usually the case, then you should only be updating your beliefs as much as you should given the evidence of my testimony, which in many cases should be very little.

As for you not believing me when I say that I don't recall reading your earlier comments calling for evidence about minicamp's success, well... the only evidence I have for you besides my testimony is that I hadn't replied to any of your earlier comments on the matter. If you don't believe me, well, so be it: that's all I've got.

Comment author: komponisto 29 August 2011 07:05:44PM 3 points [-]

I don't understand this bit about my 'My Olympus' mentality. Until very recently I wasn't on SI's full-time staff. And as far as I can tell, I've spent vastly more time substantiating what I say by citing the relevant scientific literature (rather than relying on whatever personal authority I'm supposed to have, which I don't think is much at all) than anyone else on Less Wrong.

Indeed you have, and you've been well rewarded, with 24,000+ karma points and a full-time position at SI (with EY himself begging for money to pay you in a promoted LW post -- I'll bet that felt good!). What you haven't earned, however, is the right to ignore people without their being offended. (The only person who might conceivably have that level of status is EY, and I think even that is debatable.)

The impression I think you give is one of writing all this great LW material, but then being "too busy" with your high-status SI work to read people's comments on it. Surely you can see how that comes across.

Comment author: lukeprog 29 August 2011 07:09:58PM 7 points [-]

I reply to many comments but certainly not all. I can't respond to all my critics, and it's probably unwise to do so. I'm also sympathetic to thomblake's comment on this discussion:

I appreciate your efforts to decode this 'Olympus mentality' nonsense, and in general to make sure you're not making communication errors. But at this point I believe you're just wasting your time. You've documented your research methods better than I've ever seen someone do, and they certainly don't need defending here.

On behalf of those who believe your work can positively impact the future of humanity and your time can be better spent elsewhere, I humbly request that you please file what you've been responding to under 'trolling' and move on.

Comment author: komponisto 29 August 2011 08:11:54PM 2 points [-]

To be clear, my comment pertained to reading others' comments, not necessarily replying to them.

I would also like to stress that, while I am not sympathetic to thomblake's comment (I could hardly be expected to be, since he effectively labeled a comment of mine "nonsense"), I have not voiced any complaint about the underlying subject (proof of minicamp effectiveness), and should not be confused with Silas. (This isn't to say that I don't think he has a point also; but I emphatically do not consider myself to have participated in any "trolling".)

I entered the discussion because of the "Olympus" issue, which I had noticed in other contexts and had considered bringing up before. (Evidently I am not the only one, because my comment on the matter has -- against all expectations of mine -- been voted up into the 20s.)

Comment author: BigManMachismoMaster 29 August 2011 09:57:12PM 5 points [-]

"The impression I think you give is one of writing all this great LW material, but then being "too busy" with your high-status SI work to read people's comments on it. Surely you can see how that comes across."

LOL. If one does form that impression from Luke's posts I would suggest that you:

1.) Don't be so sensitive and get a life beyond obssessing over blog comments. 2.) Realize that people who actually get things done usually don't make responding to blog posts a high or even medium priority in life. Seriously, most people with productive lives don't have time to obssess over blogs.

Appreciate the good content, criticize the points worth criticizing and try not to cry about the minor points and the fact that someone doesn't respond.

Comment author: wedrifid 30 August 2011 01:06:36AM 2 points [-]

Seriously, most people with productive lives don't have time to obssess over blogs.

To be fair the reference class should be bloggers, not productive people in general.