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111 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 28 July 2007 10:59PM

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Comment author: TheAncientGeek 23 February 2015 02:24:02PM 0 points [-]

Truth of astrology: mars in conjunction with Jupiter is dangerous for Leos

Expected experience: there will be astrology articles saying Leo's are in danger when mars is in conjunction with Jupiter.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 23 February 2015 02:56:23PM *  1 point [-]

Of course astrological claims pay rent. The problem with astrology is not that it's meaningless but that it's false, and the problem with astrologers is that they don't pay the epistemological rent.

Also, a proof is a different thing from a mathematician saying so. The rent that is being paid there is not merely that the theorem will be asserted but that there will be a proof.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 23 February 2015 03:56:57PM 0 points [-]

Of course astrological claims pay rent.

Try telling Eliezer

Comment author: RichardKennaway 23 February 2015 04:41:40PM *  0 points [-]

The original post does not mention astrology. If you want to spy out some place where Eliezer has said that astrological claims are meaningless, go right ahead. I am not particularly concerned with whether he has or not.

Here and now, you are talking to me, and as I pointed out, the belief can pay rent, but astrologers are not making it do so. Those who have seriously looked for evidence, have, so I understand, generally found the beliefs false.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 23 February 2015 02:56:33PM -1 points [-]

From that belief, the expected experience should be Leo people being less fortunate during those days.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 23 February 2015 03:50:16PM *  0 points [-]

That was the point. Its a cheat to expect astrology truths to product experiences of reading written materials about astrology, so it's a cheat expect to pure maths truths ...

Comment author: RichardKennaway 23 February 2015 04:49:17PM 2 points [-]

That was the point. Its a cheat to expect astrology truths to product experiences of reading written materials about astrology, so it's a cheat expect to pure maths truths ...

Let me complete the ellipsis with what I actually said. A mathematical assertion leads me to expect a proof. Not merely experiences of reading written materials repeating the assertion.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 24 February 2015 10:37:47AM 0 points [-]

And a proof still isnt an .experience in the relevant sense. Its not like predicting an eclipse,