Edit: added a paragraph nearing the end
Usually the question is: "What is wrong with our society?", but I guess my gripe is that if you look at things with a System-lense, usually what you focus on is what has the most influence.
In other words, if our Planet would veer off course, it isn't really the fault of the Ants - even when they could have done more! The reason is bigger gravitational forces, or our Sun wanting some more space.
So, why would you blame a human being for something that seems to be governed by laws, forces and powers we A) don't fundamentally understand, B) can't fundamentally influence C) can't fundamentally change ?
I mean, from a human perspective, there are a lot of answers - Psychology, sociology, anthropology, evolutionary disciplines, religion - even transdisciplinary groups and projects. But again, you only answer the question from inside the box. If the box gives a certain output, and has specific constraints, why blame the Outputs for how the box works?
It makes more sense to me to assign fault at the level where the problem lies. If we dislike and abhor something, at which level does it arise?
A lot of expressions we use are filled with assumptions that are focused on our personal actions. Take murder, for example. Killing is bad, I agree, but is it the personal choice of the killer to enable murder, to make possible the possibility of dying? The pain, suffering, dread etc.? It is the Universe's Laws and principles that are allowing it and actively engaging in it (There are endless ways this Universe can and will kill us), is it not?
That is just one of numerous examples I can think of where I am questioning if by looking closely at an issue, it seems to be the direct consequence of a superintended principle we have 0 direct control over.
I mean, personal responsibility sounds nice, but if you really look at it - does it make any sense? Take genes, for example. They are based on millions of years of biological, and then even cultural evolution. That you have the 'ability' to see a different way than eating your fellow friend, and can see more gains in keeping them alive - is it really "Your" achievement? How many choices are really "Yours", and not the inexplicable results of processes that started millions of years before you were even consciously aware that you had a face and a body separate from the rest of the world?
Because if the problem is the Universe, wouldn't you have to fix its underlying Laws and principles if you wanted to fundamentally change anything? Because any other change would only be superficial, partial and temporary.
To also add that here, you can of course look at humans as 'Part' of the universe, and not separate. Different maybe, but not separate. Which is a relevant vein to delve into, if you have something. As I see it, there doesn't seem to be a reciprocally positive relationship between the Universe and our individual consciousness - which seems odd. If break-ups have taught me anything, it might seem that the Universe is still bitter we stole that god-damn apple.
On a separate note (Joke joke?)
And so It is that I am still looking for the Universe help-desk. If anyone knows the number, or how to contact them, please let me know. If I'm a beta-tester, I believe I should let them know that some things really, really, really don't seem to work that well.
Kindly,
Caerulea-Lawrence
Hello again StartAtTheEnd,
Thanks for your reflection. I liked reading it.
I'll try to reflect with you here. It might look like I disagree with you here, but I am mostly just bouncing off what you wrote and adding in different thoughts I have myself.
* You notice that your system reacts by fearing insults similarly to tigers, you notice that your 'body' never gets 'satisfied' and that each time you get something you want, you only create something else - So you conclude that by 'fighting' life, you are creating your own suffering, and only by giving this up, will be relieved from the constant Earthly struggle of trying to change something where you yourself create the issue.
But speaking of not living life - How/why do they/you say that it is 'bad' to struggle and be 'unhappy'? Even if you look past things like evolutionary biology, how do you argue for this position, when you at the same time argue that you shouldn't have any goals and not fight?
As far as I am aware, the goal is to reach Enlightenment, and be relieved from the 'suffering' of reincarnation. Which seems oddly similar to saying that there is something 'fundamentally wrong' with something. Or, some kind of position where you say that it is possible to stop the 'suffering', but it is dependent on Karma or things like that.
But yeah, given the Data you collected to reach that conclusion - is it the only one? By delving into the subconscious, the intuitive and collecting all that information - is that conclusion 'the whole truth', and the only Truth?
You didn't say it was, and I must admit that I am decently ignorant, but it seems a concept that isn't really 'debatable' or 'traceable'.
To reach the point of choosing another direction than what is 'self-evident' or 'natural', you are abstracting and meta-evaluating. At this level, you are also consciously looking at things. So, how did you come to the conclusion that it is right to not create tension? To not do that which seems to come natural to us? There has to be some kind of reason.
And if you deem something 'wrong' - do you simply connect that to your own happiness? Why would you do that? Ok, so you fight things and it makes you unhappy - let's become content/enlightened. But again - why?
Isn't it like creating the game, and then just pretending you didn't, but follow the rules you made without questioning them enough to reach a point where you can create the game yourself? Isn't that exactly the same things as you were trying to avoid in the first place?
Yes, if you understand that you can create games - if you stay in that space, and you dip your toes into the process, doesn't it become quite obvious that playing any game is taxing? That even deciding to be 'content' is to overrule the natural impulse of the body? Not playing a game means devolving into an animal - and why isn't that correct?
From my perspective, I want to live fully, and of course that involves to explore and discover the one part that is the most intimate and familiar to me - myself. That of course includes my capabilities, my mind, my body and how I interact with the world.
When things are 'wrong', if it is only in me - well, I can change it, like you point out. But, the problem is, unless you somehow view yourself as isolated, distinct and separate from everyone and everything else - whatever goes on in you is hard to separate from the rest.
In the comments, people talk about being embedded in the Universe, and kind of being physics but having different physics. Well, that is fine and well - but you start to say that something is 'wrong', where does it come from - what is it connected to. Not only in myself, but in the world around me. Where does it start?
You point out that Nietzsche might see life as a struggle between forces - But if you can make the game yourself, why do you care?
True, at this level of abstraction, some people either reject everything, get completely lost or conflate the tree with the forest.
But since I seem able to withstand this specific level of abstraction - as I guess with anyone who have honed their craft sufficiently, some things that were difficult, are now just plain.
Instead of renegading on our ability to influence the game itself - I believe it is better to acknowledge our ability to do so - and direct the latent energy towards something productive and not let it swim around in our unconscious, creating all kinds of dangerous oversimplifications.
At the same time - To be a bit more Practical - To skillfully deal with any one element of reality, be it emotionally, relationally, introspectively, intuitively etc., takes a lot of a specific kind of energy, time and ability.
Yes, I might have reached this state of being able to handle it, but it isn't really something I did irrespectively of the world around me.- moreover, there is so much I can't handle. I am terrible at showing and feeling certain emotions, physical weakness and pain, or I struggle with the practical and I run away from certain depths in my mind/emotions. To just mention a few things. And I mean, if I don't sleep well - many of my ideals are reduced to trying, and failing.
But I don't want to ignore anything, I want to include the different perspectives, our limitations and weaknesses, but also our strengths and all our possibilities even when they don't seem to fit - and work towards creating a better fit. Something that inevitably needs other people to do.
Well, finding someone to delve deep is high on the list of goals, but for now I am also expressing things here, as a kind of sub-goal, in the hopes of reaching other's that want to go to uncharted territory with us.
Kindly,
Caerulea-Lawrence