Thanks! I'm pretty surprised that this seems to be a similar hill-climbing scaffold to the one from the automated weak-to-strong research post ~6 months ago? In particular, I find the following two things intrinsically at odds:
There is a belief among large parts of the 3rd party safety community that alignment requires the kind of research which cannot easily be hillclimbed. I.e., it is not always clear what metrics one should climb. And, even if one obtains good scores on the metrics, it's not clear how this corresponds to improved alignment. I'm curious whether you disagree with this assessment?
To ground this in specific examples, we've used similar scaffolds to the one described in this post. While these can be useful for hill-climbing-shaped work, we find that they do not provide uplift on the diverse set of tasks that holistic alignment research seems to require.
I used to be a big proponent of the position that automating alignment would require fuzzy alignment taste that we would have to train into models explicitly, but I've recently updated away from that position and I think it now looks much more likely to me that hillclimbing concrete metrics will be more important. I'll probably write more about this soon, but for now:
I also just really disagree with the idea that we should be putting effort into scaffolds; I think the returns to better scaffolds, at least relative to what the labs already have, are pretty minimal, and tend to get repeatedly washed out by improvements in the underlying models. Working on scaffolds is just not a very bitter-lesson-pilled thing to do; in my opinion, the right approach is to focus on metrics and verification processes, which scale much better, and is what we did here.
Isn't the primary requirement of "hill climbing" on alignment that you have some kind of oracle that tells you whether or not a model is "misaligned"? There are already example environments showing production Opus doing antisocial things. How do you quantify how well Anthropic did with the Opus 5.5 release, much less how this red teamer did?
Perhaps the blog answers this and I am just committing the cardinal sin of not reading it before commenting, but it seems like the main problem with any strategy to "hill climb" to safe AGI, is that there's no way to assess the alignment of arbitrary models, even ones "only" as smart as Opus 5.5.
It seems like all of the following can be true:
Yet that still doesn't avoid the need to solve W2S/SO. There's work like Automated Weak-to-Strong Researcher where the automation is targeting W2S/SO itself, but this would be at best targeting that indirectly?
I think all of interpretability can be made concrete that way. And all you need to make that work is an automated pipeline for generating model organisms
Qualitatively while this would give you a lot of different model organisms, I'm skeptical that they're diverse in the way that would make them interesting as a "zoo" to perform interpretability on to understand something like powerseeking, reward-seeking, etc, as I'd imagine they're much more persona based and more importantly those produced by a single training method seem to in practice often be susceptible to interpretability techniques that don't generalize across training methods. I could imagine though an idea where you extend this pipeline over time to allow the red team to use a more diverse range of training methods, then your "generator" for model organisms grows more diverse over time while still leveraging increasing model capabilities[2], which seems pretty promising[3].
Interesting! looking forward to reading the further thoughts once they’re ready. Agreed regarding the bitter-lesson pilled perspective on scaffold engineering
Authors: Oscar Balcells Obeso, Richard Qi, Monte MacDiarmid, Evan Hubinger
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