I have a tangential comment that doesn't really fit into either subthread, but I still think is worth making. Namely, you say:
One of the things I loved about studying liberal arts is that you actually got to know your professors. They would discuss their personal experiences in a topic ("Here's what I did during the feminist movement.."), you might get slide shows from their vacation in the country of study, or even invited to their house for a group dinner.
In my experience, these kinds of contacts in your life can be dangerous, because they may provide you with very bad advice that you end up believing with high confidence.
On the one side, you are faced with accomplished, impressive, high-status people who are friendly to you and who don't seem to have any ulterior motive, so you'll be inclined to trust and value their advice. On the other side, however, even when people themselves believe they're giving honest good advice, it takes a very extreme degree of altruism -- normally displayed only towards immediate family members and very close friends -- to focus on a real no-nonsense perspective and avoid falling into signalling behavior. This may easily lead to a sit...
This is a bad idea. Attempting to create personal relationships will just accelerate LW's degeneration into a typical internet hugbox. People will start supporting or opposing ideas based on whether they are "e-friends".
the almost complete lack of any positive social interaction on LW, combined with the continual arguing
Funny, I see that as the defining feature of LW, and as its principal advantage over other places. You get to see the distilled essence of concrete things that people have to say on a given topic, unobscured with distractions that would otherwise inevitably follow. (Don't get me wrong, in real life I'm much more personable and merry than I choose to be here, but outside of strictly technical discussions, this has an inevitable large cost when it comes to the precision and rigor of discourse.)
had left me feeling sort of annoyed and uncomfortable toward the average LWer
Are you sure it wouldn't be much worse with people trying to be "friends"? As they say, familiarity breeds contempt.
Of course you don't think it's affecting your judgments. Most people accept the religious or political tradition their parents follow, but they feel like they're just making the objectively correct choice. It's an obvious extension of the halo effect. Ideas that come from your e-friends will seem better than ideas that don't.
Personal Introductions
Feel like going ahead and giving a personal intro? Please put it as a thread to this comment!
I am doing this, because it was pointed out to me by MBlume and Alicorn.
I'm Elizabeth.
I am currently in the process of reading: The Once and Future King, The God Delusion, The Book of Numbers, The Lady Tasting Tea, GEB (I've been reading this for three months,) the Feynman lectures (on volume two,) three Python textbooks, Satan, Cantor and Infinity, Commentaries on Living: Series 3, and Diaspora. I'm told that's kind of a lot.
I was in high school for a year and a half before giving up on public education and acquiring a GED. Autodidact ever since, although I have vague and higher hopes for tertiary education. I've been studying through Khan Academy and MIT's Open Courseware classes, both of which are really awesome resources - I am very very pleased to live in the 21st century.
When I was five, I was diagnosed with PDD-NOS ("Kind of like autism, but different!") and hyperlexia. The former diagnosis was modified to Asperger syndrome a few months ago. What this means in terms of anticipated experiences is that I'm literal to a fault, have bad auditory processing, get overstimulated easily and am pretty anxious about conversations with people. I have a typing speed of 70wpm a...
I suspect I've already put a fair bit of personal info out here, but let's consolidate.
I've been mathy and technophilic all my life. In Jr. High and High School, I added theater geek to these affiliations.
I am a huge fan of Weird Al and sincerely think he is badly underrated as a musician.
I was pretty widely disliked as a child. If a kid was assigned to sit by me on a bus or something, they'd usually get a "cootie shot" from one of their friends. This has left me persistently inclined to form aliefs about others actively disliking me. Thankfully, these aliefs are usually pretty widely divorced from reality these days.
Alicorn and I have tried dating, as well as not-dating. Between the two, we prefer dating.
Alicorn and I are some relatively conservative flavor of poly, which seems to suit me pretty much perfectly.
I live in an apartment in Berkeley with Alicorn, AnnaSalamon, and CarlShulman.
I don't always watch TV shows geared toward little girls, but when I do, I prefer My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.
I grew up in some relatively harmless variant of Christianity. I still sing with our church choir if I'm home on a Sunday. Our pastor knows I'm now an athei...
I live in an apartment with my husband, another couple, and their baby. I think housemate situations are underutilized. Someday I would like to buy a house and share it with friends and family.
I'm a lot less outwardly geeky than I was as an adolescent.
I love clothes but am too cheap to buy new ones. Also, I don't want people to think I'm fussy.
Despite having a minor in gender and sexuality studies and a belief that people should do what suits 'em, I'm more conservative on that stuff in my own life than I think I should be.
I'm in social work school but wonder if I shouldn't find something higher-earning so as to be able to give more money away. Philanthropy is one of the most important things in my life. Another important thing is folk dancing.
Former jobs include cook, farmhand, daycare worker, and administrative assistant. My current internship for school is on a psych ward. I'm finding the patients there are far less different from other people I know than I was expecting them to be.
At times I've been conversational in Spanish and French, halting in Russian and Danish, and literate in Esperanto.
In a mock trial, I was once convicted of being "entirely too wholesome."
I used to keep quail in a studio apartment. This is not something I would do again.
I was on a home-agriculture kick, and quail are the only animals small and quiet enough to keep indoors while producing a reasonable amount of food (eggs and meat). I wanted them partly as a project and partly as a way to avoid factory-farmed food, since I could make sure they had a reasonably good life. I built them a pen and ordered eggs online, and my husband built an incubator with a styrofoam cooler, light bulb, and thermostat. Our hatch rates were pretty bad, and most of our hatchlings turned out to be boys. Boys don't lay eggs, but they do crow. We ate the boys. The girls died in various ways. We only ever got a few dozen eggs.
I am somewhat of a hobby collector, in that I really get into some strange random hobbies, but when I move on, instead of completely abandoning them, I just add them to the list of Fun Things I Do Sometimes.
When I was a teenager, I did high-level colorguard, winterguard, and drum corps. Drum corps is like a marching band that sleeps on a bus and rehearses all day, every day, for three months. It's sort of an all-or-nothing activity, so I don't do it at all anymore.
For a couple years, I was really active in the SCA, a big medieval re-creation group. Now I just do Pennsic. It's the biggest event with 11,500 people, and lasts 2 weeks. It's pretty awesome. LWers might be interested in the Class List (scroll down a bit, because the first week is all boring stuff).
One of my favorite things to do is dance. Besides bellydancing, I used to professionally teach and perform a bunch of circus-style dancing. At professional level I did poi, fire arts, and hooping (my favorite). At a decent level is diabolo, stilt dancing, staff, hat manipulation, and maybe meteors. Things I worked on and still suck at include: contact juggling, club juggling (I can do 3-club cascade and that's IT!), unicycling,...
I'll give this a quick go.
I'm Michael. I'm 24 and live in West Sydney. I'm in LW because I pretty much stalk Lukeprog. I'm an ex-christian, who got married way too young, but got lucky in that me and my wife have grown out of faith together and really come to a place where we really support each other in everything we want to do. I love learning and all subjects, but I'm not really an expert on anything, except maybe people, which is probably one of the best places to be an expert. I'm studying professional writing next year. I find communication fascinating, and like exploring ways to close inferential gaps between people. I'm a bit of a co-ordinator. I've hosted weekly discussions groups pertaining toward Rationality and Political issues, but I find that I'm still not disciplined enough to keep persevering in them. Soon I will be changing states, and moving to Ballarat, Victoria. I plan to start attending the Melbourne LW meet up when I do (come january). The good thing about this move is that it gives me and my wife a chance to re-invent ourselves without the expectations of our friends and family defining us. I like video games, and getting good at them, but this eats more time...
I'm 19 years old at the University of Chicago, originally from Maryland. I'm a biochemistry major and physics minor, and have almost no idea which area of these field to go into. My only expressed goals for work are to do research somewhere and to have my work improve the overall quality of life by some amount.
I was raised in a Jewish household, but slowly turned atheist between the ages of 14 and 16. My parents were rarely around due to work, and they took little interest in my schoolwork, assuming I could handle it. As an only child, I was essentially raised by the internet. Honestly, I'm shocked I turned out as well as I did. I have little trouble with akrasia, as I use the method of procrastinating work with different work.
I'm called a morning person, but that's just because I always get almost exactly 7 hours of sleep every night. So, if I stay up until 2, I'll be awake by 9. Unless I get bored by a teacher's lecture, this method ensures that I'm almost never tired during the day but still able to fall asleep easily in the evening.
At the beginning of the year, I joined my school's circus club, which was surprisingly fun and fairly easy to pick up. I previously did glo...
Do you like that our discussions are un-hampered by personal data?
Yep.
Do you like the idea of providing personal intros?
Nope.
Do you not want to provide personalish information for safety reasons, or because you don't think it's anyone business?
Neither. I provide my personal data on the LW IRC channel all the time. I don't see this as the place for that. I see this as the place for the sanest possible discourse, as uninhibited as possible by prejudice. I know it's a problem for me, since my memory is such that if I ever read a comment by someone and I really hate that comment, I will be far more likely to down-vote or ignore that person's comments in the future. (This just occurs with a few special cases, though, so it's not really enough to turn on the anti-kibitzer.)
Maybe even post a (small) picture, so we can put a face to the name.
Don't these tend to increase page loading times? A link to a picture may be better.
One of the things I loved about studying liberal arts is that you actually got to know your professors. They would discuss their personal experiences in a topic ("Here's what I did during the feminist movement.."), you might get slide shows from their vacation in the country of study, or even invited to their house for a group dinner.
Going into engineering was rather jarring for me in that regard. The vast majority of professors would come to class, lecture on the topic, and that would be it. They might share what their specific field of study was, but they rarely shared any personal details. It actually made it harder for me to learn, because it was like "Who is this person who is talking to me?"
(I think a large part of this for me personally was because I am motivated by a desire to please, and so if I liked my professors, then I wouldn't want to inconvenience them by handing things in late, or bore them by giving them another sub-par paper to read. But that's another discussion...)
I've noticed that Less Wrong is similar in some ways. We may know about each other's views on particular topics, and general fields of study, but we know very little about each other as people, unless a personal topic happens to be related to a particular rationalist study. Even the intro thread set up here focuses mainly on non-personal information.
For example, a Generic Intro post right now would be something like: "I'm X years old. From place Y. The fields I study/want to study are Z. Here's what college/HS was/is like for me. I have akrasia." Pretty boring, right? INSTEAD, the things I would be interested in knowing about my fellow LWers include: "On my time off I enjoy underwater basketweaving and climbing Mt Kilamanjaro. I have 6 young daughters and a dog named Grrr. I love pesto. etc"
From a rational perspective, an argument could be made that it's easier to have constructive arguments that remain civil when you humanize the people you are speaking with.
I was wondering how other LWers feel on the subject. Do you like that our discussions are un-hampered by personal data? Do you like the idea of providing personal intros? Do you not want to provide personalish information for safety reasons, or because you don't think it's anyone business?
If you think you might need help writing a personal intro, I wrote [a general guide](http://lesswrong.com/lw/8nq/more_personal_introductions/5d4e) on the topic in the comments below.
Note: I predict there will be two types of response to this post. People discussing how they feel about this (Meta-Comments), and people giving personal introductions (Intros). To make navigating the responses easier, I am trying an experiment where I set up a meta-comment thread and a personal introduction thread.
PLEASE PLACE COMMENTS ABOUT THIS IDEA IN META-COMMENT THREAD, AND COMMENTS INTRODUCING YOURSELF IN INTRO THREAD.
Edited to make it more clear to focus on personality, hobbies, likes/dislikes, and NOT on what you study, or school.
ETA- Added link to "How to Write Personal Intro" comment