‘people’ doesn’t mean all people, and that it is tractable and common to change who falls into this category or who in it is salient and taken to represent ‘people’.
The default for this, of course, is 'people I spend time with'. Which is why it makes sense for parents to worry so much about their kids hanging out with the wrong crowd.
IMO it is very hard to spend time with people without coming to care what they think. That's why spies go rogue, diplomats go native, and earn-to-give EAs are at high risk of starting to think like their non-altruistic colleagues.
most people don’t care what other people think, for almost all values of ‘other people’.
Yup. I think of this as "most people are extremely biased in their selection of 'people' to represent who they care about". It's kind of a self-inflicted motte-and-bailey (where the motte is the nice-sounding generic "other people", and the bailey is a small subset of topics that we engage on in an even smaller subset of people that we actually care about).
From that starting point, I'm not sure you trace the path to WHY you want to care even less about people's opinions, before describing HOW. From your examples, it seems like it's more about topics you wish you were more independent on, rather than groups (though, of course, they're related).
Are there topics/groups you want to care MORE about than you do? I kind of wonder if there's a generalization about dimensions or degree of caring about others' beliefs that could apply in all situations. "do care about beliefs related to shared values, don't care about irrelevant beliefs that don't touch on my values (even if they do touch on others' values)".
On the bit about climate change and AI risk, I think you said "climate change is the worst" when you meant to say "AI risk is the worst?"
No, the scenario is someone who isn't fully convinced by the AI risk arguments, and thinks climate change might be worse, but mostly hands out with AI risk types and so doesn't feel comfortable having that opinion. Then they find a group of people who are more worried about climate change, and start to feel more comfortable thinking about both sides of the topic.
Ha, that's exactly the scenario I had in mind, I was just misreading the text, I thought it was saying "climate change-focus is the worst." Sorry for my confusion!
Oh! That makes much more sense as a thing to be confused about haha. I was actually a bit hesitant to post my comment because it seemed like you wouldn't be prone to the basic confusion I was attributing to you; in retrospect, perhaps if I had listened to that I could have discovered the way in which you were actually confused, and addressed that instead.
I totally agree that it's useful to hang out with a diverse set of people.
It also helps to treat people's opinion of you as an instrumental goal. Every time I'm worried what someone thinks of me, I ask myself if this person's opinion is important, and why - can they hurt me or help me in any way? Sometimes the answer is yes, e.g. I want to impress employers, or I need voters to like me if I'm doing politics. Often, though, the answer is that the person is not going to affect my life in any way, and so their opinion doesn't matter. People's opinions may also matter as an estimate of my own virtue, but if their opinion is based on a misunderstanding, or they're confused about what's virtue and what's vice, then their opinion can be discarded again.
People care what people think. People often strive to not care what people think. People sometimes appear to succeed.
My working model though is that it is nearly impossible for a normal person to not care what people think in a prolonged way, but that ‘people’ doesn’t mean all people, and that it is tractable and common to change who falls into this category or who in it is salient and taken to represent ‘people’. And thus it is possible to control the forces of outside perception even as they control you. Which can do a lot of the job of not caring what other people think.
To put it the other way around, most people don’t care what other people think, for almost all values of ‘other people’. They care what some subset of people think. So if there are particular views from other people that you wish to not care about, it can be realistic to stop caring about them, as long as you care what some different set of people think.
Ten (mostly fictional) examples: