I strongly disagree, despite the excellence of your presentation :) Arguing against excellence is a bad look, but I feel compelled to voice my take anyway. I strongly suspect that many LW readers are already pursuing excellence beyond what is optimal for their real goals.
It certainly makes sense to pursue excellence in some things. But that usually takes time, which limits the number of other projects you can do. And there's often a large nonlinearity in the likely success vs. time spent on a given project, making pursuit of excellence actively irrational.
In my two decades in academic research, it looked to me like the pursuit of excellence was a very common mistake made by academics. I suspect the same is true of the rationalist community on average. I found I could be quite helpful by examining different scientific projects and pointing out where corners could be cut that would save a lots of time while having only a tiny effect on the project's outcome and likely success. The people doing those projects usually agreed with me; they hadn't thought about those measures because they had been pursuing excellence as a heuristic without any real means-ends analysis.
I do not see a nice dividing line between excellence and perfectionism, but a smooth continuum that requires frequent re-evaluation specific to each project.
"Anything worth doing is worth doing well" is my nomination for most damaging aphorism in history.
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
Or, to put it another way: pursue excellence in your choice of how to spend your time. Sometimes the correct choice will be pursuit of excellence; this is particularly likely when that pursuit builds your skills, or excellence is required for even satisfactory results. By this broader definition, doing something well means doing it efficiently: spending no more time than the time/results tradeoff curve dictates, and bearing in mind the opportunity cost of not spending that time on other projects.
In many situations, excellent choices mean doing a good-enough job, and quickly moving on to accomplish other things.
I'm sorry to say that I find this suggestion to be actively anti-rationalist. There is certainly such a thing as too much analysis, but that's much more likely on small decisions where a quick decision beats a better decision. Deciding how to spend one's time seems to deserve a careful analysis, not heuristic-based decision-making.
I also think that much American culture already stresses excellence over happiness, which is a huge mistake of another sort. Telling American high achievers to pursue excellence seems like the opposite of the advice they most need: satisfice, prioritize, and keep your eye on how your actions pursue your real goals.
The topic is a good deal more complex and detailed than either this piece or my response covered. Like most important questions, it comes down to the specifics of each situation. But I did feel compelled to offer the counterargument, since the essay didn't really address them.
I actually agree with quite a bit of this. (I nearly included a line about pursuing excellence in terms of time allocation, but — it seemed possibly-redundant with some of the other stuff on not making the perfect the enemy of the good, and I couldn't quickly see how to fit it cleanly into the flow of the post, so I left it and moved on ...)
I think it's important to draw the distinction between perfection and excellence. Broadly speaking, I think people often put too much emphasis on perfection, and often not enough on excellence.
Maybe I shouldn't have led with the “Anything worth doing, is worth doing right” quote. I do see that it's closer to perfectionist than excellence-seeking, and I don't literally agree with it. Though one thing I like about the quote is the corollary: "anything not worth doing right isn't worth doing" — again something I don't literally agree with, but something I think captures an important vibe.
I do think people in academia can fail to find the corners they should be cutting. But I also think that they write a lot of papers that (to a first approximation) just don't matter. I think that academia would be a healthier place if people invested more in asking "what's the important thing here?" and focusing on that, and not trying to write a paper at all until they thought they could write one with the potential to be excellent.
I just finished reading "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" yesterday, which you might enjoy reading as it explores the topic of Quality (what you call excellence). From the book:
“Care and Quality are internal and external aspects of the same thing. A person who sees Quality and feels it as he works is a person who cares. A person who cares about what he sees and does is a person who’s bound to have some characteristic of quality.”
Advice about drafting without concern for whether it's defensible is helpful; as someone who wants to do good work, it's hard to not be sucked into "what if this is wrong" or "what if this is a dumb take."
Maybe I haven't found a long-lasting fire yet, but I lose interest in a lot of things after a few days or a month. And a big part of losing interest is because I think that many other people are far ahead of me, and the field has become saturated. Maybe doing shorter projects helps with this?
― Hunter S Thompson
― Abhijit Naskar
― Ronnie Oldham
― Richard Hamming
― Steve Jobs
A good part of my felt motivation[1] for caring about EA, and for working to reduce existential risk, is a desire for good things to be excellent. I think there’s something healthy about that, and that we should talk about it more.
The feeling of caring about excellence
The quotes above all speak to my heart. They each capture something important, and they convey its essence, powerfully. In a way, I feel a kind of love for them — almost fierce in its admiration if I try to tune in to the flavour — as I do for all things I feel to be great. (This is strongest for the Naskar and the Hamming quotes, and weakest for the Oldham one, but it is there in some degree for all of them.)
When something doesn’t work very well, or isn’t a good fit for its position, or is just kind of mediocre, sometimes it’s frustrating; often it’s just … fine. There’s a lot of things in the world. We can’t realistically hope for them all to be excellent.
But when something fits well, and feels like it’s doing a good job — whether it’s the clean curve of a teapot, or a clarifying sentence in a research report — there is some satisfaction in that. And when something important is doing its work excellently, there is a deep sense of rightness.
This hooks into my motivations. When I come across something that’s great in some dimensions (including seeming potentially important), but kind of mediocre in others, I feel a pain — I desire it to be better. I want to know if I can do something to help it work towards its potential.
Similarly when I have an idea that I’m wondering about writing up, often I’m implicitly asking myself “could this be excellent?”. When I am working on something, I try to let my sense of excellence guide me. Of course I make mistakes all the time, and in any case I can’t always access that feeling — but I do often have a sense of “is this reaching excellence?”, and when the answer is “no” the right response is usually to interrogate my feeling, or to go away and talk to other people about it, or to come back another day.
Caring about excellence and caring about growth
Another part of my felt motivation is more directly growth-flavoured. It feels good to help things be a little better, a little more themselves. Some of this feeling is grounded in caring about excellence — and I feel most trust in the parts which are. We can only make things incrementally better; pursuing growth in service of excellence feels healthy. On the other hand, I worry that pursuing growth when it’s detached from this can lead to not pushing things through to really excel, or to spending too long polishing turds.
Excellence and x-risk
I like effective altruism because it's centrally about trying to make something I care about for other reasons (helping people) better[2]. Decisions which are informed by scope-sensitive thinking seem better than those such are not.
Similarly, my work in x-risk is not motivated at a felt level by thinking directly about untold numbers of beings in the future light cone[3], but by a sense that avoiding x-risk should be an important priority for a sensible world. I feel like this is a critical ball which is being dropped, and I would like to help it not to be dropped.
This extends to how I orient to work within x-risk. I generally don’t have grand theories about exactly how my work helps. (I’ll think through theories of change, but hold them lightly.) Rather, I try to find places where I can meaningfully nudge things towards being more sensible. I think the communities thinking about x-risk, and the thinking on how to make the future go well, are something precious, but with many flaws. They are worthy of our efforts in holding them to higher standards; making them more excellent. I want to work to help make them wiser, more virtuous, more informed. I care most about improving the parts that I think are already very good. I am trusting that this excellence will help — and more robustly so than any plans I can make today based on my necessarily flawed understandings of the issues. So I keep an eye out for ways that I can contribute to help make them the best versions of themselves. Sometimes this means helping other people to orient in ways they'd endorse; sometimes contributing to the discourse to provide clarity on a point that seems important but underappreciated; sometimes directly advising on plans or commenting on other people's writings to try to make them better.
On not making the perfect the enemy of the good
Pursuing excellence can blur into perfectionism. And there’s something important to not making the perfect the enemy of the good. Sometimes something is worth doing, but not important enough to warrant a pursuit of excellence.
However, my experience in practice is that there’s less tension here than you might guess. I see perfectionist energy as caring about eliminating all flaws, while excellence cares more about how high it can elevate something’s best facets. A great startup is excellent, but never perfect — and chasing perfection would stifle its excellence.
Or here’s how I might think about this if I’m writing something I intend to post publicly. If it’s a straightforward point and I feel mastery over it, I can just write it and post it. That will be enough.
Often I feel like I’m trying to untangle some knot, and add insight. Here I care about excellence. I may often start writing when I’m still in some part confused. But at some level I’ll be aware of this. So I write not to publish, but to start a reflective process. I’ll write and then seek conversation with others. I’ll seek to understand where I’m confused, and where my writing is confusing. I’ll ask for help in making it better[4]. (Collaboration can be very helpful in the pursuit of excellence.)
As I iterate through drafts (and sometimes there are multiple revisions of throwing out an old draft and starting again), I can often feel things getting closer to “right”, even though I don’t know exactly how to describe that “right”. And when things are sufficiently in alignment, and comments aren’t making me want big revisions, it will be time to publish. Are there still imperfections? Of course. Does it serve the pursuit of excellence to root them all out? It does not.
Alternatively perhaps I'll reach a sense of being stuck and not knowing how to improve it, while still sensing that it's flawed. Then I'll make a decision between leaving it to return to later (with hope that time will bring clarity), or posting anyway (perhaps with caveats), knowing that it has some flaws but thinking it may be of value in spite of those.
Why excellence matters
I think caring about excellence, and using that as a heuristic to guide my actions, has worked pretty well. It has typically led me to make good choices, that I’d endorse if I were to step back and use a consequentialist lens on things.
Why should this be?
I think there are three main mechanisms at play:
The pursuit of excellence
Here are some questions that I’ve found can be helpful to ask others, when I’m trying to help them orient to their own projects:
The first three of those questions are about staying in touch with what’s special about the project — all the best versions of the project are about elevating that. The last question is a meta-level question about whether things can be set up for more effective pursuit of the excellent.
And here are some questions I sometimes find it helpful to ask myself:
By “felt motivations”, I mean the things that drive me in the moment — that make me want to put effort into stuff, and that help to steer that effort. These are distinct from “things that I ultimately think are valuable”.
Indeed I think it can be a little corrosive to blur these things together — it feels like trying to cross a large country, and thinking that you can keep most of your attention on the global map, and spare only a small fraction for the local terrain. Maybe this would work for superintelligent agents, but I think it’s a bit doomed for humans.
Ultimately I think that felt motivations are kind of a personal matter. You can do some gardening with them, but they can’t be forced. Still, I think it is worth some discussion — some sharing of aesthetics, and heuristics — that may help people to better grasp felt motivations they’d endorse, and to avoid sending the implicit message (as I think sometimes happens with EA material) that you should try to adopt your sense of what is ultimately valuable as your felt motivation.
And because effective altruism seems great, I’m very into work to make effective altruism even better.
And honestly I can be a little weirded out when people's felt motivations tie to that, because it feels so ungrounded — we just don’t have a good sense of which actions are robustly good for this goal, so it feels like the person not looking at the local terrain.
Contributors to making this present post a better version of itself include Anna Salamon, Max Dalton, and Raymond Douglas. Responsibility for flaws that remain is mine.