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I read these tricks for avoiding procrastination and I find myself terrified at the idea of trying them at a gut level, because what if they work? What if I actually find myself playing fewer videogames and surfing the internet less? That doesn't actually sound better, now that I have to seriously consider the possibility of changing this state of affairs.

Based on this revelation, I have to say I am coming around to the point of view that a lot of what we call "akrasia" is just us not wanting to admit, to others or to ourselves, what our actual desires are, so we make up more socially acceptable desires and then when we pursue our actual desires instead we blame akrasia.

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AnnaSalamon16y120

Another type of "fear of anti-akrasia techniques" that sometimes occurs, is fear/mistrust of what one's own conscious decision-making process might goof up, if that decision-making process is abruptly given increased power. (This differs from Nominull’s description, because in this scenario you don’t specifically fear surfing the internet less, or any other specific foreseen change; you fear the effects of suddenly removing a system of internal checks and balances, and handing your internal reins over to a new and untested cognitive subsystem.)

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5pjeby16y

Yep - akrasia is anosognosia of the will. That is, a comfortable explanation for why we do things, when we actually have no real idea why we do them. That's why the only stable, life-enhancing anti-akrasia strategies are those that either include ways to satisfy all your existing desires, or that directly modify those existing desires. ("Unschedule"-type ideas fall into the former category, mindhacking techniques the latter.)

5Z_M_Davis16y

Interesting data point. I too have felt a strange fear of actually overcoming akrasia. However, I interpret it as a fear of inconsistency--like being afraid of waking up one day as a completely different person (albeit a better one by my own standards), and not being able to explain what happened. I try to tell myself that the part of myself that is so afraid is being silly: I don't need to fear winning too quickly, because that just doesn't happen, and if it did I should only be grateful--and if someone were to explicitly ask how the radical discontinuity came about, I could simply express my honest ignorance. Strange that we would seem to describe similar experiences (fear of the outcome marked "Success" actually occurring), but that you should count it as evidence that akrasia is an excuse, whereas I don't. For myself, it still seems (more than ever, really) that I do want to change--for I have changed, however slowly. I don't play games anymore, and count myself happier for it.

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People have been encouraging me to share my anti-akrasia tricks, but it feels inappropriate to dedicate a top-level post solely to unproven techniques that work for some person and may not work for others, so:

Go ahead and share your anti-akrasia tricks!

Let's make it an open thread where we just share what works and what doesn't, without worrying (yet) about having to explain tricks with deep theories, or designing proper experiments to verify them. However, if you happen to have a theory or a proposed experiment in mind, please share.

Bragging is fine, but please share the failures of your techniques as well – they are just as valuable, if not more.

Note to readers – before you read the comments and try the tricks, keep in mind that the techniques below are not yet ~~proven~~ supported or explained by proper experiments, and are not yet backed by theory. They may work for their authors, but are not guaranteed to work for you, so try them at your own risk. It would be even better to read the following posts before rushing to try the tricks:

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[-]Alicorn16y380

Mine is a weird one: I started taking every other day off. Even as deadlines loom, I am committed to doing no work today. I can cook and read and surf the Internet and hang out on Less Wrong and chat with friends and take a nap and do art (but not art for my webcomic), but at all costs I will do no work. Tomorrow, I will do work (in my case, papers for school and art for my webcomic and editing some fiction), and unless something breaks the trend that's been working nicely for a week and a half now, I will do more work than I could have expected to do in three or four days before I started this. (I make exceptions for time-dependent things like class meetings.)

I have a few hypotheses for why this works for me:

It prevents the low-level burnout that used to plague me. I can decompress from whatever heavy mental lifting I do regularly and for a large chunk of time.
I actually enjoy most of my work when I actually do it, so obliging myself not to do it lets me get through the akratic aversion during my downtime. By the time I wake up on my work day, I've worked up a fair amount of antsiness about wanting to do something productive. Also, my creative ideas accumulate over time,

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7orthonormal15y

By the way, are you still practicing this? What was the long-term dynamic of it?

[-]Alicorn15y120

I stopped after several months. Juggling it with a class schedule became intractable, and new techniques have a tendency to stop working for me after a while even if they start working very well. It was really useful while it lasted, though, and I still try to take time off in day-long chunks when feasible.

0orthonormal15y

Good to know!

4PhilGoetz16y

Can you tell my boss about that one?

5hrishimittal16y

I'm seriously thinking about asking my boss about that one. With a pro-rata decrease in salary, of course. The extra money just doesn't seem to be worth the constant struggle with myself. Plus I think it would be good to start at a level I'm comfortable with and build on that. By forcing myself to work at a rate I'm clearly incapable of, I'm losing out on all the positive feedback that comes from small successes. To draw a crude analogy, air pollution modelling is as hard a problem for me as say, AI is for EY. And if he needed to take every other day off once upon a time,... EDIT: PS I have been reading OB/LW for a while but have started commenting here only recently. Hello everyone!

4MrShaggy16y

You would probably like Ferris's Four hour workweek, has an example of how to get your boss to let you work from home and stuff like that. Not the same as above, but similar enough to help you.

0hrishimittal16y

Thanks. I'll check it out.

4Eliezer Yudkowsky16y

I had to take every other day off during the year I was able to work on AI with Marcello.

2Alicorn16y

Had to? Why had to?

7Eliezer Yudkowsky16y

My actual AI work is extremely hard mental work, harder even than writing, which Harlan Ellison once called the toughest labor he ever performed (way harder than being e.g. a truck driver, which I myself have never done). There was no way I could do it two days in a row - though you'll note that I say 'was' not 'is' since it's important to keep in mind that these things often change over time.

3[anonymous]16y

I can attest to that; programming is complex because you formalize solving a problem over just solving it. AI is doubly complex because you're formalizing how to do that.

2JGWeissman16y

AI is way more than twice as complex as ordinary programming. I have written plenty of programs that write programs, dealing with two layers of formalizing solutions, that is not anywhere near AGI. For one thing these programs only generate a certain class of programs. And much more importantly, they are not more powerful than I am so I can actually detect mistakes and fix them after I execute them.

8PhilGoetz16y

Meh. AI conceptual work can be hard. But in reality, on any programming project where you're both the brains and the brawn, you're going to spend 90% of your time doing stupid stuff like writing hundreds of boring little subroutines; investigating different libraries, data sources, and data standards; figuring out which database software gives you the best performance; profiling and optimizing SQL queries; and of course DEBUGGING. Not that my programs ever have bugs, of course.

4matt16y

If I had to guess, I'd guess that you're spending your time in Java or C (++|#) :)

0[anonymous]16y

True. I should've said exponential.

[-]JGWeissman16y180

That does not really mean anything.

"Exponential" refers to how a quantity relates to another. For example, we would say that (until environmental limits are encountered) a population's size is exponential with respect to time, and mean, that there is an initial population size P0 at a time t0, and a doubling time T, such that the population at a given time, P(t) = P0 * 2^((t - t0)/T). In computer science, we might say that the time or memory requirement of an algorithm is exponential with respect to the size of a list, or the number of nodes or edges in a graph, which could be represented by a similar equation, assigning different meanings to the variables. (Often, we really the mean the equation to be an approximation, or an upper or lower bound on the actual quantity.)

But if you say that designing and programming an AI is exponentially hard, you have not identified a variable of the problem that is analogous to the time in population growth. "Exponential" is not a vague superlative, it has a precise meaning. If all you mean to say is that AI is much harder than conventional programming, then just say that. Yes it is vague, but that is better than having your communication be more precise than your understanding.

[-]Eliezer Yudkowsky16y140

Targeted commenter doesn't really deserve being hit that hard, but voted up anyway.

The thing I really despise is when people use "exponential" as a superlative to describe fast-growing quantifiable processes that are not known to be exponential.

2hrishimittal16y

Thanks Alicorn. This sounds like a brilliant idea. I have been thinking of something along these lines but hadn't quite thought of day chunks - makes a lot of sense to me too. I'll give it a try. And yes, I'll be careful.

2pjeby16y

I've effectively used a variation of this: setting a daily deadline for when all work must be finished, following which I will do something (specifically planned in advance) that I enjoy. It's like being about to go on vacation. These ideas could both be considered variations on Neil Fiore's concept of the "unschedule", and there are other authors/speakers who've promoted the idea of clearly separating work/non-work days, e.g. Eben Pagan's "Altitude" and "Wake Up Productive" programs.

2Alicorn16y

For some reason, I find it hard to negotiate with myself over chunks of time shorter than a day. If I tell myself I'll goof off after dinner, I'll have dinner early; if I tell myself I'll goof off after six p.m., I'll dither until six p.m. But a day begins when I wake up and ends when I go to bed. Conveniently, my desire to stay up late persists even if I'm staying up late doing work.

7pjeby16y

Two important distinctions: 1. I frame it as, "I have to stop working at X pm", not "I'll goof off at X pm". This presupposes that I'm going to be working and what's more, that I don't want to stop working (otherwise, I wouldn't "have to"). 2. I don't "goof off" (an unspecified activity), I have a book that I've planned to read, a show to watch, etc. -- thus it is a specific thing that I "have to stop work" for at that time. This is a good example, btw, of how self-help techniques easily go awry, as there are often many subtleties to why/how something works. That's not to say that these changes will definitely make it work for you; as I've commented before, it's trivial to defeat a technique simply by expecting something else to happen or thinking that it's probably not going to work! But you'll notice that what makes it work (or not work) in both our cases has a lot to do with what we expect our behavior to be, and how we frame those expectations. And those expectations tend to hinge on fine details, rather than abstract concepts.

0Cyan16y

These techniques seem to be related to the idea of an "unschedule".

1CronoDAS16y

Incidentally, is http://htht.comicgenesis.com/ your webcomic?

0Alicorn16y

Yes, that's my current one.

0Document15y

When you first tried it, did you start with an on day or an off day?

1Alicorn15y

I don't remember. Probably an on day.

0patrissimo16y

Fascinating, I so want to try this. I do alternate-day calorie restriction, so this is basically what I do with my diet, except w/ willpower.

0[anonymous]16y

Best productivity tip ever! (Seriously, somehow this actually does seem to make me more productive.)

0thomblake16y

I don't normally have problems with akrasia, but this idea seems awesome. I'll have to try to implement it next time I can consider taking a day off.

4Alicorn16y

I'm a little concerned about other people adopting my idea, because it doesn't seem that it would work for everyone. I recommend trying it for the first time when you're on vacation for a week and you want to use part of that vacation to work on a nonessential personal project you're being akratic about, like writing a novel or something.

[-]Nominull16y320

[-]AnnaSalamon16y120

Even if your consciously claimed preferences are your “real” preferences (which is not at all obvious, given that claimed preferences may be chosen for the purpose of affecting your self-image or your external social image, rather than for the purpose of choosing between future outcomes)...

... even in this case, there’s the additional problem that your consciously claimed “beliefs” may not be your actual anticipations, and, even if they are your actual anticipations, may be a worse model of the world than is the model implicit in our cultural action-patterns. A person who “believes” her actions will determine whether she spends et... (read more)

4steven046116y

Even in people whose conscious world models are basically sane (by our exacting LW standards), when they're considering doing or planning for some weird, uncomfortable, and out-of-the-ordinary action seemingly justified by weighing costs and benefits, it seems to me that akrasia can sometimes be a rational stand-in for some considerations they don't keep conscious track of, including but not limited to: reputation costs, willpower loss / ego depletion, other limits to worry, the inference that if one weird thing seems especially important now others are going to seem especially important in the future, the possibility that one might waste resources by not following through on a weird plan, the desirability of keeping one's mind "cleaner" by keeping fewer chunks in one's planning space, benefits of long-term happiness and of not associating unhappiness with rationality to oneself or to other people, benefits of having one's actions and motivations make sense to other people, various self-image issues. There are going to be many unmodeled considerations in the other direction too, but I suspect they will normally be fewer. It's better to forego a 1-expected-util hare-brained scheme than let it distract you into a 20% chance of foregoing a 10-expected-util hare-brained scheme, or so Morgensternsai tells me. On the other hand, I don't want to hand people tools for mediocrity here; many times akrasia in these situations really is just irrational. I wish I had a better idea of when.

0David_Gerard14y

It strikes me that this is similar to theists' fear of taking God away and morality then being undetermined: they don't trust themselves, or the rest of us. (But we knew that.) It's interesting to consider it as a more general case of fear of thought about thought. The roots of anti-rationality get everywhere.

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4MichaelVassar16y

One simple way to partially satisfy existing desires are just to affirm them as part of your volition. Literally tell the agents that are those desires that you don't intend to defect on them if they cooperate with you by using your ability to execute long-term efforts to stomp them out without giving them due consideration whatever that turns out, upon careful and caring reflection, to be.

3pjeby16y

Well, that's a bit more anthropomorphic than necessary. More to the point, it continues the dissociation frame where you are disidentifying yourself from those desires. They are your desires, they don't belong to some sort of independent agent in your skin. If you don't take ownership of them, then you're not going to be in control of them, either.

0[anonymous]16y

Just to be sure, is this supposed to be parsed as ?

0[anonymous]16y

del

0pjeby16y

Not my area of specialty, really. People here have posted several, and have linked to explanations of Neil Fiore's concept. To the extent that I work with the "satisfy all desires" mode, I merely help people learn to find out what their desires are, and to find more fulfilling ways of satisfying them.

5Z_M_Davis16y

1pwno16y

That's definitely a possible mistake. Sort of reminds me of how people say, "everyone acts rationally because they always do what they want to do. It is impossible to be irrational!" This isn't true, however, if you're trying to maximize utility within your expected lifetime. But I think most of us use the word to categories the the feeling that arises from wanting to (not) want something. Because, after all, we aren't just trying to maximize utility for the moment we are in.

[-]paukkumaissi16y210

I use Adrafinil, which is a non-controlled version of Modafinil. Taking one pill makes me want to do intellectual work and gives me better focus. Taking two pills makes me so sharp I find it a bit difficult to "chill out", so I really feel like spending my energy on working.

The downside is it's difficult to wind down in the evening when I just want to relax, but that's what cannabis is for, I guess.

[-]gwern16y110

In the same vein of pharmaceutical solutions...

I used to, as a college student, have a terrible time getting to bed. I had 8 AM classes, and so I really needed to go to bed at a reasonable time like midnight (and not 2 or 3 AM); and in the morning I would regret tremendously staying up late. A classic case of akrasia - I could probably have even quantified it all in terms of grades.

My solution was to realize that the problem was that at any moment I was enjoying whatever more than I needed the sleep. I needed some way to induce a 'false' sleepiness. So I looked up the options and found melatonin. 3mg of melatonin would practically club me into sleepiness after 30 minutes - so it solved the issue of not wanting to go to bed.

Of course, this caused another problem: taking the melatonin at the right time! But this turned out to be much less of an issue, perhaps because taking a pill is so much easier than winding up for the night and going to bed.

EDIT: see my full length post on melatonin: http://lesswrong.com/lw/1lt/case_study_melatonin/

0Document15y

I'd be worried about "too tired to go to bed" syndrome, but that might work for me if I avoided doing things where the syndrome would apply.

1gwern15y

I've had that on occasion with modafinil, but melatonin doesn't seem to suffer from that; which makes sense, given its role in sleep - it can't make you need to sleep and not make you need to sleep, if you follow me. (The real danger is the dual to your syndrome: 'too tired to wake up', when you overdose heavily and feel like shite in the morning.)

4patrissimo16y

Me too, except I use Modafinil b/c it has a shorter half-life so it doesn't keep me up at night. I use it 1-3x/week.

[-]aluchko16y160

Just a personal observation that for me there seem to be two classes of akrasia.

1) Inertial akrasia: I should be doing task X, I could do task X well if I just got going, I just can't seem to make myself do task X.

2) Exhaustive akrasia: I want to do task X but I've exhausted my willpower reserve. It's hard to start task X and even when I start I generally drift off-task as I've expunged my willpower reserves.

Type 1) akrasia consists of things like getting out of bed and procrastinating, type 2) is more zoning out midday or being unproductive after getting home from work.

They have similar symptoms and a fair amount of overlap but different treatments. Type 1 seems to generally be tricks to get you started, ie counting to 10, setting deadlines, etc. For type 2 treatments are more removing distractions (don't challenge your depleted willpower reserves) and taking a real break to replenish (ie watch a movie or work every other day).

Personally I think a lot of my troubles come when I try treating type 2 as type 1 or vice versa.

For instance often in the morning I'll often take a while to get working despite the fact my willpower reserves should be near full. Instead of taking a break I s... (read more)

4JamesCole16y

If you do a lot of work during the day you may end up getting exhausted and having little willpower left. But that in itself doesn't mean that you start off with a full tank in the morning and it gets slowly depleted as time goes on or as you do more work. I suspect that you probably start off with a bit less willpower in the morning, and that it can go up and down in range throughout the day in response to what happens. For example, if you have a lot of frustration, that may make it go down, whereas if you have some wins that might make it go up. I'm not denying that eventually the work will start draining your willpower, though. I also think that getting things done is less a matter of having sufficient willpower, and more one of structuring tasks so as to remove, as much as possible, the need for willpower. I think that our bodies/brains are designed to take on smaller, more concrete tasks that are familiar to us, and of a sort that work towards the sorts of goals our brains are wired (by evolution) to work towards. The more a task (or our perception of a task, actually) grates with this, the more willpower is required to undertake it. So the trick is to structure things so that they're more like what our brains are suited to.

0AshwinV12y

This may sound strange, but often closing my eyes and visualising random images helps in overcoming type 2 akrasia.

0AshwinV12y

This may sound strange, but often closing my eyes and visualising random images helps ME in overcoming type 2 akrasia.

[-]Vladimir_Golovin16y150

My results:

Elimination of two my primary addictions -- PC gaming, mostly TF2 and WoW AH moneymaking (100% elimination for both so far), and aimless internet surfing (now reduced to about 10% of its former glory.)
Significant reduction of procrastination time in general (ironically, I'm procrastinating right now -- I'm posting at LessWrong :)
Being able to actually act according to my current better judgement, with verifiable results in the real world. This is an addiction in itself.

My tricks:

(Obligatory note of caution -- these are tricks, they are not supported by experimental results, I've been using them for just about 3 months, they aren't tested under serious stress / pressure, I have no deep theories to explain why they work, and the evidence I offer is purely anecdotal.)

Determine what is your current better judgment. This is critical -- I noticed that I hesitate to trick myself into doing anything I don't consider to be relevant to my goal.
Regularly asking yourself: "is what I'm doing at the moment advancing me toward the desired state of reality"? If the answer is "no", you're procrastinating. The danger here is the possibility of rationalizin

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[-]Z_M_Davis16y140

This is probably a standard tactic, but maybe I phrase it in helpful words.

My akrasia problems have gotten significantly better since I stopped thinking so much in terms of discipline and more in terms of not-being-stupid. One imagines that a race of expected utility maximizers would use the same word for I should and I want. If I think that I ought to to X, then I can just---do X, because I've decided that X is the right thing to do. It's not a matter of forcing myself to do things that I don't want to do (that would just be stupid; the entire point of instrumental rationality is to get us more of what we want); it's a matter of wanting to do good things. Don't raise the pressure; lower the resistance! Cf. "Inner Goodness."

Of course I'm a human and it doesn't really work that way, but I am doing ever so much better than I was this time last year. Because of this community, I've just been continually obsessing about rationality for the last year and a half, and I think I've finally just passed the threshold where it starts to yield practical benefits. However, I'm an unusual person along several dimensions and I've faced very strange personal circumstances in the past year and a half, so I don't expect my experiences to generalize too much, in this domain or others.

[-]Emily16y130

Really really simple procrastination trick that works wonders for me: don't just minimise the browser when trying to work, close it. If I need to use it for something work-related, one tab only and close it again immediately afterwards. The trick here, I think, is that flipping to the browser window is an automatic reaction when I get stuck on my work. If my mouse goes to the taskbar and it isn't there, the extra moment required to think: "Oh, I'll have to relaunch it" is just about enough to override the automatic reaction with: "No, I'm working".

3matt16y

And generally, reduce the availability of distractions. If you notice something attractive that you could be doing instead of what you think you should be doing, you'll need to spend willpower to suppress doing it.

1Vladimir_Golovin16y

There are a couple of other trivial inconveniences that can be installed on the path between you and the browser: 1. Remove the browser shortcut from the quick launch / taskbar and the desktop, so that every time you feel the urge to browse the interwebz, you have to actually navigate the Program Menu (or its equivalent in your OS). 2. If you use Firefox, turn off your bookmarks toolbar via the right-click menu, so that you have to actually type URLs.

0Document15y

Under Windows XP, I noticed that if I disabled my WLAN adapter while logged in as Administrator, I couldn't re-enable it while logged in as Home. So I decided to generally work as Home with the adapter disabled, and when I needed to go online, temporarily plug in an external adapter (possibly limiting my online time using my laptop's battery and/or my bladder). I should note that I'm not doing any of that now, though. Occasionally I've driven to somewhere where I don't have access to the Internet at all, and sometimes left my laptop home too, but I haven't adopted that as a regular thing; for one thing, I need a separate motivation to get me in the car to begin with.

[-]bentarm16y110

I imagine this is a pretty well-known trick, I think I took it from an essay by Paul Halmos, but might be mistaken. It was originally suggested in the context of writing a mathematics paper, but would probably apply a lot more generally as well.

The trick is: always stop writing for the day in the middle of a sentence; preferably an important one.

For many people, the hardest part of writing is starting to write - if you've stopped in the middle of a sentence, you have an obvious starting point, and you can find it relatively easy to get into the rhythm.

4PhilGoetz16y

Writers seem to spend more time describing their tricks for avoiding procrastination than any other profession.

8jimrandomh16y

They spend more time writing about their tricks for avoiding procrastination, but that's simply because they spend so much more time writing in general. Whether they actually spend more time thinking about and discussing procrastination is not so clear.

6bentarm16y

I think writers probably spend more time thinking about tricks for avoiding procrastination than, say, binmen. If you're a binman there isn't much procrastination you can do - you get up in the morning, drive your lorry, pick up the bins and take them back to wherever it is binmen take bins to. If you don't, you get fired. For a writer, the schedule of a days work is much less well-defined and, probably more importantly, the deadlines tend to be much longer. Whether writers spend more time thinking about procrastination than, say, freelance web-designers is a different question. I certainly spend much more time procrastinating now that I'm trying to write a PhD than I did as an undergraduate when I had exercises to hand in each week - currently my only 'deadline' is to finish in about 3 years, which seems much too far away to worry about. Probably the fact that writing is a profession in which procrastination is an option combines with jimrandomh's point to produce the effect you're talking about.

1Joe16y

Yeah PhD/academia is the absolute worst, because the timespan is quite long, and many of the deadlines are soft. Miss a paper deadline? Just submit to the next one, with a slightly greater chance of being scooped. Not done your thesis on time? Just ask for an extension, and waste more months/years of your life. Grad school is truly the snooze button on the alarm clock of life.

[-]haig16y90

Well, from reading the comments it seems the most popular type of akrasia that hinders this group is procrastination. I'm sure other weaknesses of will are common, but procrastination seems to be an overwhelmingly common nuisance. This paper http://www.uni-konstanz.de/FuF/SozWiss/fg-psy/gollwitzer/PUBLICATIONS/McCreaetal.PsychSci09.pdf might hint at why this is so. The gist is that the more abstract the tasks/projects/goals are, the more you will procrastinate. As the tasks become more concrete, the procrastination is eliminated. An example is the abs... (read more)

1pwno16y

What about the concrete task of cleaning my room which I always procrastinate about.

7haig16y

'cleaning my room' is still abstract. If you decompose that into 'pick up clothes off floor, then make my bed, then vacuum the carpet, .....', then those are concrete tasks.

3pwno16y

You can decompose all those things into smaller steps too. You cannot determine whether a task is concrete or abstract without considering the person's perception of the task. Making the bed or picking up clothes can be an abstract task for some. I consider cleaning my room a pretty concrete task (same with washing the dishes, another task I procrastinate about) so the theory can't explain my procrastination.

3Vladimir_Golovin16y

Try P.J. Eby's pull motivation video -- should work for this kind of tasks. http://thinkingthingsdone.com/2008/07/thoughts-into-action.html

0pwno16y

I actually watched that sometime between my previous post and your reply. And, it works! I always thought I should focus on making the processes of cleaning my room more fun (e.g., playing music or talking to friend). Turns out I am better off if I just focus on the good feeling I get from the end product.

[-]bentarm16y90

I'm not sure if this strategy is too straightforward to bother mentioning here, but it has made a signficant difference to my productivity in the time since I decided to employ it.

I'm attempting to write up some awkward-to-write-up technical stuff to go in my PhD thesis, and have been putting off getting to the hard part for weeks. About a week ago, I decided on the insanely straightforward hack 'start writing at 10.00 every day, and write until 12.00, during that time, do nothing else'. This has had massive effects. I've written more than I had managed in... (read more)

[-]roland16y90

Tried at least once when I had something important to do:

Go to the bathroom, stare at the wall and don't let anythig distract you until you muster the willpower to start the task you are procrastinating on. Then go and do it.

The key is not to let yourself become distracted with anything, that's why I went to the bathroom and stared at the wall(yes, my face was literally one inch away from it), any tactic with the same effect should work also.

7pjeby16y

I find it very interesting that so many of these methods sound like varying paths to monoidealism - i.e., the hidden meaning of "just do it", i.e.: (Ironically, I myself got this in 2006 but didn't connect it to the bigger picture until recent discussions here.) In essence, we can assume that the key to seizing control is to clear any "current state" out of the machinery, either by restricting external stimuli or simply refusing to follow up on distracting thoughts that arise, until the desired internal state is achieved.

[-]Emile16y80

For my personal programming projects, I keep a small text file of "Next Action" - small, concrete tasks that can be done in little time. That means I don't spend much time agonizing over what to do next, and can start get back to work relatively quickly after a pause. I regularly purge the list of stuff I don't really want to do, or of stuff that's too complex.

I also avoid IM, and turn off email notifications.

[-]Liron16y80

The best motivator for me is meeting other people's expectations, or trying to impress them.

Anecdote 1: A few summers ago, my friend paid me $100 to make a website for his babysitting business. I started working on it at his house and he saw me and realized it was going to take significantly more than the 8 hours I predicted. So every day he would come over to my house to watch me work on the site. It went at a steady pace and I finished after 25 hours of work. Meanwhile I had another, more important programming project that I was being unproductive at.

Ane... (read more)

[-]0sn16y80

Having someone watch me. Works four out of five times. From talking to other people it has a much higher success rate, but I'm still trying to figure out what's akrasia and what's an executive functioning deficit resulting from minor frontal lobe damage.

I have a friend who hires people to sit across from her at work. Pays for itself with the extra work she can get done.

Stepping back and watching the meat-I-am start to do stuff helps too, but not nearly as often, and I only learned that trick a few weeks ago -- from this site.

3Vladimir_Golovin16y

I wonder if sticking a poster of a person looking at you to a nearby wall would help to trick the mind into believing that it's being watched. I vaguely remember reading an article (or a book chapter? Freakonomics?) about a bagel experiment like this one, where putting a picture of a face on the bagel box has reduced the theft rate.

6scotherns16y

This certainly works for me. I find I can get a significant increase in performance at the gym when I use the machines that are facing towards the posters of attractive women, compared to the otherwise identical machines facing the windows. I know its a trick, and I know why it works, but that doesn't stop it from working :-)

3[anonymous]16y

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8Jack16y

Shouldn't this mean theists suffer less akrasia? (Not that that is impossible, it is just a very interesting conclusion!)

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1JGWeissman16y

I find I can achieve this effect by publicly committing to a goal. Which is good, because having someone watch me would likely be counterproductive, as I need to feel free to explore an idea that might turn out not to work.

[-]pjeby16y70

{This is actually a reply to this comment, but for some reason it doesn't have a Reply button.}

I first started to pay attention to the relationship of social factors and akrasia after PJ Eby mentioned it in our earlier discussion. His term (psychosomatic marker, if I remember correctly) didn't stick with me, but I noticed that when I procrastinate, I almost always find that a social pressure is involved.

The term is "somatic marker" as in the "somatic marker hypothesis". The somatic marker hypothesis in neurobiology basically says t... (read more)

1John_Maxwell16y

I'll bet the reason Vladimir Golovin's post has no Reply button is that he added it before sharing the article with Less Wrong in general. (or, if you prefer, he posted it to the post before posting it.)

0Cyan16y

Yup, that's it. I did the same thing here. I never noticed because I have a reply button for my own comments whether I make them to posts on LW proper or in my drafts.

0dariusp16y

This has now been fixed. Comments now correctly follow the Post they belong to and you can reply to them :)

0Vladimir_Golovin16y

Great! That was annoying. Also, it would be a good idea to replace the "Post to" dropdown list on the article submit page with an equivalent set of radiobuttons -- should make things easier to figure out for first-time top-level article posters.

[-]XFrequentist16y50

Surprised no one's mentioned it before. Structured Procrastination is a great productivity trick.

Basically, you can get lots of useful but secondary tasks done as a way of avoiding an undesirable primary task.

0nickk15y

it's structured procrastination but it's still procrastination my friend. I think the most dangerous thing about procrastination is that you create new tasks for yourself that seem useful, when in fact they are completely unessential.

1XFrequentist15y

The point (as I took it) is that there are lots of valuable but non-urgent things one could do at any given time, and doing these as a way of avoiding something can make you quite accomplished. Doing "completely unessential" tasks wouldn't be Structured Procrastination, it would just be procrastination. Clearly, this method would be inappropriate if you had one major task of such importance that doing anything else was a complete waste of time.

[-]JamesCole16y50

just some quick thoughts on some general principles...

Build habits. Habits have momentum, and they can suck you into a task without you trying.

Associating a place with a task (if you can). That's one good way to build a habit. I go to a local coffeeshop to do PhD writing. That's all I do there, and I don't go there otherwise. I find it quite useful. If it's a place you don't do any other tasks at, it's less likely to trigger habits associated with them.

Make the habits generic, so you can always invoke them. If you make the initial task "sta... (read more)

[-]AnlamK16y50

Here is something that I want to try:

Whenever I want to work on something, I'm just burdened by the fact that all my efforts will be useless, that the stuff won't be done and that I'll toil and toil and toil without accomplishing anything. Now, this sort of thing is pretty common for me -- worries about my confidence and intelligence not withstanding.

Sometimes this pressure is really discouraging and overburdening that I want to avoid work just to avoid that horrible feeling of having made no progress.

So I want to have "work" days in which I'll s... (read more)

[-]Emily16y40

I'm quite a good morning-worker, but I tend to have a major slump after I've accomplished my first one or two tasks of the day. I need to take a break at this point, but sometimes this break turns into never actually managing to get started again that day at all.

So on days when I can, I trick myself into getting two morning-fresh-starts by doing my first task or two before my usual morning routine (shower, get dressed, etc. Breakfast is exempt from this because I don't work well at all when I'm hungry). When I run out of steam, I go and have the shower etc... (read more)

[-]freyley16y40

Very few tricks have worked for me for the long term. Exercise helps, as does eating well. Most tricks I've tried, including scheduling tasks, taking days off, changes of location and taskcard systems, have only given me the benefit of any change -- a few days of productivity, followed by return of akrasia.

[-]Eliezer Yudkowsky16y30

Tricks aren't "proven" by experiment; they're supported or explained by experiment. The lack of this support and explanation makes a difference, but it's not proof we're talking about.

0Vladimir_Golovin16y

Thanks -- I fixed the post.

[-]Annoyance16y30

I try to determine if my means have failed in some unexpected way, or whether my means aren't capable of producing the desired outcome.

If neither applies, I conclude that I didn't really want the outcome in the first place and that my desires are rejecting the imposition that my consciousness is trying to force on them. I update my understanding of what I want and move on.

[-]PhilGoetz16y20

I don't know if I'm facing the same problem as most people. I'm usually working, but I spread my effort out among so many tasks that most go unfinished. I read so many books that I forget 99% of what I read before I ever get a chance to use it. It's ludicrous; when I have an hour to read, I find it difficult to take less than 4 books with me even though I know I can read only 1 of them. I keep buying more books even though I have literally hundreds of books in my stack of books-waiting-to-be-read.

I think my problem is too much curiousity, and too much ... (read more)

[-]Jack16y20

The firefox addon LeechBlock works pretty well for me and I often turn it on when I have a lot of work to do. It lets you set time limits for certain websites (or sets of websites). I usually like having access to the internet when I work (I often need the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, dictionary/thesaurus and a citation generator) but LeechBlock does a good job limiting the time I spend on procrastination sites. Now you can always deactivate it by restarting firefox but usually I can catch myself before I do that. The key is just setting up little barriers that keep me from clicking without thinking.

[-]beriukay15y10

This trick, which I have been using for about 8 weeks now, was my way of borrowing from the motivational iPhone app, Epic Win, which rewards you for getting things done. Since I haven't jumped on the smart phone bandwagon just yet, I decided to take a plain old notebook and write down bullet points of the things that I have done. On days where I feel accomplished, I might only jot down the big ticket items (installed dishwasher); on the less satisfying days, I will include more mundane tasks (brushed teeth).

The point is, in contrast with the techniques t... (read more)

[-]luispedro16y10

I write a time journal of what I am doing throughout the day, counting productive times. Whenever I start doing something not productive (reading a not-strictly-work-related website, say), I write down that I stopped working. When I reach 5 hours of work, I go home (I often go home before that, though).

I thought I could accustom myself to being productive and drop the journal after a couple of months, but I never managed to. Whenever I try, I go back to procrastination.

[-]Jaffa_Cakes16y10

Long time reader, first time poster.

What I want to know is just what such important tasks and projects everyone here believes they should be working on, which causes them to probe so deeply into the concept of Akrasia.

I'm assuming that most of us have steady sources of income, respectable (if humble) careers, and no shortage of curiosity to read books and enjoy sport/entertainment in our free times. So where does the Akrasia anxiety fit in? Looking at productivity-seekers from the outside it just seems like they're fantasising about a completely different ... (read more)

2pjeby16y

You've just committed the Mind Projection Fallacy with respect to the notion of "important". What is important to you and important to other people may be different, as reality does not contain any XML tags marking one goal "important", and another one "trivial".

4Jaffa_Cakes16y

My post didn't come out quite how I intended. It reads like an angry rhetorical question, when it's supposed to be a sincere request for context. I'm baffled by the depth that people go into probing self-help ideas, talking in abstract vaguenesses of "getting things done" without revealing and explaining the personal goals that the techniques are supposed to help them achieve. Given your profession and obsessive interest in the field PJ, perhaps you can give some examples of the sorts of objectives people need Akrasia-fighting techniques to accomplish? The examples I gave were humorous and the tone provocative, designed to draw out real goals from real practitioners. It was misjudged and looks like MPF, but that wasn't the intention. I realise my request for examples of people's goals isn't exactly on-topic, but I find it almost impossible to understand the "tricks" and "secrets" people talk about on this topic when it's so divorced from the context of their specific goals. Let's have some examples to help those like me get what you're talking about. You first.

5olimay16y

Here's my context: I failed out of a prestigious university (rather, I threw myself out before they could) because I just couldn't get work done. (Underachieving, chronically disorganized, call me whatever.) In the process I also ran myself into a huge amount of debt (did I mention I'd been in and out of there for six years before I quit?) I run into repeated difficulty doing things most people find easy: sitting down and getting work done, waking up in the morning, estimating the amount of time it will take to get somewhere. I want to change the present course of my life. I know how a reasonable person in general conducts himself. Why can't I be like that? I understand what I am supposed to do, but on certain critical, common tasks, I fail. It's getting harder for me to achieve positive net outcomes, as the bad consequences of previous mistakes stack. Blah blah blah. I'm concerned with akrasia for much more than just procrastination. And, of course I'm concerned with plain old rationality: in the conventional sense and the Eliezer "win" sense. (I obviously don't have much of a grip on either.) I have trouble remembering when the last time I really did "win" was. In summary: my reasons for wanting to learn about and discuss ways to be more rational in thought and action? I'm very bad at both. And it matters to me a great deal to get much, much better.

4Z_M_Davis16y

P. J. Eby nailed it: anything worth doing, is worth doing better. All the activities you mention in your first post qualify as examples, as does any other activity. If you've pledged your life towards curing AIDS, then you should strive to do ever better at that until the menace of the syndrome is utterly rid from this world. Or you mention having the curiosity to read books. But it is not enough simply that one reads books. We want to read more books, and the right books in the right order! A human life is so ridiculously short compared to the possibilities existence has to offer. I say it is a horrible tragedy that a person should die without finishing that sudoku solver, or getting all the stars in Super Mario Galaxy---if that's what she would have truly cared about on reflection. And if it isn't, then it's a horrible tragedy that she had spent time on the sudoku solver or the video game instead of working on what she would have cared most desperately about on reflection.

2glenra16y

I'll bite. "Get (back) in shape" is one of my big specific goals. If I can significantly improve (and then maintain!) my physical condition this year there is a good chance I will have the opportunity to perform in an off-Broadway show. Which would be a significant-to-me artistic achievement - and there's a looming deadline. One difficulty there is forcing myself to exercise as much as is appropriate to the situation. "Create and publish my first iPhone application" is another goal. That one really tends to gets off track since it involves using a computer, which means it's easy to get sidetracked by email or reddit or stackoverflow or lesswrong. I know once I get "in the zone" on that sort of task it's hard to stop, but I'm not there yet - I'm at the early, frustrating stage of the project. Also: keeping up and/or improving various artistic skills that might or might not culminate in future public performance... reading technical texts to keep up in my field...that's probably enough for a start.

2Emily16y

Personally I'm not talking about anything important that I "believe I should be working on" except work for my university course. Obviously this is important to me and I do believe I should be working on it, but it doesn't seem like this is the type of thing you're looking for -- more like personal, aside-from-the-day-job tasks like the writing-a-novel example? Many people do have that sort of goal, I guess (I certainly do during breaks from uni), but there's nothing to stop the goals being more everyday ones. My guess is that most people are talking about any work that has to be mostly self-motivated -- that is, there's no one standing over you threatening to fire you if you don't get it done right now, or something similar.

[-]Alicorn16y10

I'm posting this separately from my other trick because they aren't related. I recently found a Mac shareware app called Freedom which turns off the Internet. In an Internet-needing emergency, you can reboot, but otherwise, it's off until the time is up.

2Antisuji16y

Somewhat related: I've been having a lot more success keeping myself focused since I started using the fullscreen mode of iTerm to do my writing. There's no clock in the upper right corner of the screen to draw constant glances and I find myself less likely to randomly switch to other apps to check on my feeds, emails, etc. It's even slightly helpful for getting myself started, since all I have to do is switch to iTerm and take a look at my notes, at which point I often just pick up where I left off and can continue undistracted. (E.g. this morning a quick app switch to remind myself where I was became a solid 40-minute session -- I was putting off breakfast to get stuff done!) Along the same lines, earplugs (or in-ear phones if you work well with music) help too.

0nickk15y

I've been using something called iFocus http://www.ifocusonwork.com/ You can use it to track how you spend your computer time, and set goals for how much you can use certain things (email, chat, games etc.). You can also make it force you to work on a specific application for a fixed period of time. Basically a tool for procrastinators or people who are mindful of how they spend their computer time.

[-]Document15y00

Is there a program for Win XP that counts down a specified time, freezes the computer for a further specified time, then sets it to hibernate or sleep? I use a laptop, so I can sometimes use the battery as a timer, but it's not ideal.

[-]Shelby16y00

Hi everyone. I'm reading the productivity articles and suggestions on this site with some fascination.

I can understand anti-akrasia tricks being applied to certain things like health-related goals, or maybe even just finishing university.

What I'm not sure about is using tricks like these for other purposes, especially career or art-related goals. I guess my question is, if you've got to use tricks like these, maybe its a good sign you're in the wrong field, and you need to reevaluate what to pursue? I mean maybe, just maybe, you really, really don't find any intrinsic enjoyment in your chosen field, and its time to move on to something else?

3Vladimir_Nesov16y

In which case that won't be akrasia, and treating the procrastination as akrasia was a mistake. But this is not universally so. In most cases, procrastination actually is akrasia. And it's usually a good idea to apply any method you know to everything you do, which refines both the method and your performance.

[-]MendelSchmiedekamp16y00

I have several procrastination techniques as well as some meta-techniques I apply to other forms of akrasia as well.

First, I use flexibility to deal with procrastination, for example I maintain multiple different to-do lists to avoid the natural tendency to over-hierarchialize the tasks I need to do. I find my procrastination tends to be focused, so being able to out-flank that particular akrasia can be very helpful.

I extend this idea to anti-akrasia techniques, as a meta-technique, keeping a variety available at any time and being willing to jump between... (read more)

[-]Jonnan16y00

I do not always agree with Kant, but his advice re (loose translation) "Act as if you were the leader of the world and everyone would copy their actions based on yours" has seemed to me to be good advice over the years.

Plus I get to pretend I run the world, instead of that cabal of unseen shadow-puppeteers secretly manipulating things from behind the scenes - I HATE them. HATE THEM HATE THEM HATE THEM . . . umm, have you read my resume yet?

Jonnan

[-]pwno16y00

Here's a bit I wrote for my school paper:

In my opinion, the best way to combat akrasia is to put yourself in situations where the willpower necessary is minimized. Below, I've made a list of tricks you can use that allow you to minimize the willpower necessary to start doing schoolwork you're not motivated to do.

Give yourself artificial time pressure. Make plans to do something fun with friends about an hour from the time you want to start working. This way, your deadline is brought closer in time and you'll need less willpower to get started. Worst case, ... (read more)

4pjeby16y

This sounds like a list of ways to make your life worse, not better, especially if you're a chronic procrastinator. If you're a chronic procrastinator, increasing pressure increases procrastination, rather than decreasing it. These sorts of approaches are much more useful for optimists than pessimists, as optimists won't treat any failures as personal or devastating, and they won't experience risk paralysis. But chronic procrastinators already assign so much personal blame and social shame to even trivial failures, that for them these approaches would be like recommending that alcoholics drink more as a way of getting sober. That is, it's more of precisely what they already have way too much of.

0pwno16y

Yea, I think you're right. Dealing with chronic procrastinators is a completely different issue.

1olimay16y

It sounds like a good idea, but it's never worked very well for me. I've tried monetary and other forms of incentives. Sometimes it would work, but over the longer term some part of me began to get more and more desensitized to failing. During some periods, it actually put me into a mode of learned helplessness, and even despair, where "akrasia" can describe nearly every aspect of life. In general, I find that using negative incentives to motivate distracts me. Instead of taking action, the increasing salience of the possibility and consequences of failure makes it more likely to "hide" or just give up.

[-][anonymous]16y00

The best motivator for me is meeting other people's expectations, or trying to impress them.

Anecdode 1: A few summers ago, my friend paid me $100 to make a website for his babysitting business. I started working on it at his house and he saw me and realized it was going to take significantly more than the 8 hours I predicted. So every day he would come over to my house to watch me work on the site. It went at a steady pace and I finished after 25 hours of work. Meanwhile I had another, more important programming project that I was being unproductive at.

Ane... (read more)

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