I've long been interested in stuff like this. I don't really have any credentials to directly help, but I have the goal of someday creating an MMO (massively multiplayer online game) in which leveling up one's character's skills requires doing real life "quests" related to the skill. So a druid would gain power by actually physically going out and gardening, or buying organic / vegan food, or etc. A player with a necromancer character could level them up by researching their genealogy or respectfully visiting a gravesite. Etc.
This wouldn't necessarily be about large-scale collective actions, but more about encouraging healthy and beneficial behaviors in each person's life. I think large scale actions could be done as well - treat them as "bosses" to be fought - but that would be built atop the more basic element.
The real fun starts when addicted people will try to maximize their score by gardening at a gravesite 24/7.
Hey Ron, I am working on my own version of this (inspired by this Sequence), and would love to get your advice! Right now I am focusing on crowdfunding via dominant assurance contracts on Ethereum.
How did you / would you verify that someone did something? What are specific examples of that happening for different actions? What kinds of evidence can be provided? I have a fuzzy sense of what this looks like right now. The closest sites I can think of just off the top of my head that involve verification are CommitLock (which I made a successful $1000 commitment contract on to get myself to do swim lessons) and DietBet, which requires a photo of your scale (it also has that 'split the pot' feature you mentioned, which I am pretty excited for).
DonyChristie,
I'm also working on something similar! I've got a landing page at Spartacus.app
No blockchain element right now. I'd love to chat.
Ron, thanks for this retrospective. A lot of this info is incredibly useful as I think about building out Spartacus.app
I'm running into a lot of the same challenges (mainly time constraints as it's still a side project) but hope to make some more progress before the end of the year.
There may be collaboration potential here, so don't hesitate to reach out. You can also find me on Twitter at @appspartacus
We’re not focused on 1 particular problem (like climate change, plastics, poverty, or loneliness among elderly, etc.) but we’re posing a new way to solve all kinds of collective action problems. This generally does not fit many funders’ buckets / categories
I'm not sure if you were implying the following situation (though this is what my imagination initially came up with), but: if there are a number of potential funders, each of which would benefit somewhat from a better mechanism for solving collective action problems, but each of which finds it too weird/illegible or not individually valuable enough to fund a general mechanism for collective action problems, does this mean you could ask those funders to commit to funding/promoting the collective action problem site a certain amount only if enough other funders also collectively do enough, and then… ?
Hi all,
@Yoav Ravid mentioned that it might be interesting/useful to get a “retrospective” post on CollAction.org (an assurance-contract website or what we call a ‘crowdacting’ website) that me and a few friends started a while ago. I’ll share a little bit about the history and the challenges that we ran into along the way.
Three points before I dive in:
Some history
A friend and I had this idea about 5 years ago. We were/are interested in collective action problems, more specifically of the Tragedy of the Commons kind. We saw that the solutions to collective action problems (regulation and privatization) weren’t always applicable, desirable, or working as they should. At the same time we saw all these platforms that used the power of the collective, whether it was related to buying (e.g. Groupon), funding (e.g. crowdfunding), advocacy (e.g Avaaz), or something else. So we thought: we should be able to use the internet to provide a new solution to collective action problems. Never before were this many people (3 billion at the time) connected with each other, through the internet. This should allow us to act collectively on an unprecedented scale. And thus the idea of crowdacting was born (well, born...As with most ideas, lots of other people probably had the same idea already as well. E.g. we later found out that Pledgebank did something similar in the UK a few years earlier, although they facilitated both crowdacting, petitions, and crowdfunding it seems. The site was taken down in 2015.)
We defined crowdacting as “Coordinated, conditional, collective action to achieve a positive social and/or ecological goal” . Simply put, with crowdacting we ask: “Would you take action for good if you knew that a hundred/a thousand/a million/a billion others would do so too?”
We consciously chose to separate the name crowdaction from the platform that we were going to build (CollAction.org) - in line with our belief that our mission is larger than our organisation. The implication is that we encourage other people to also start crowdaction platforms (just like there are many crowdfunding platforms). Practically this means e.g. that we build open source, have a static site that explains the crowdacting concept (crowdacting.org), and we’re currently looking at copying the version for a Turkish NGO that would run it locally.
Anyway, after building a crappy prototype we started testing the waters with our first small crowdactions that we started ourselves, like switching to a fair bank and a meat free month (targets of 50 and 100). Shortly thereafter, two people that we didn't know started the first project that we didn’t organise ourselves, which was exciting, because that was in line with the desired end goal from the beginning: in order to be able to scale, we couldn't organise all campaigns ourselves, it would need to be done by the crowd.
At some point we felt that we had tested it enough with small projects and we decided to focus on organising a one or two larger projects ourselves, instead of many small ones. So we ran a more professional campaign with the Slow Fashion Summer (which was in later years dubbed the Slow Fashion Season and is now turning into the Slow Fashion Movement).
Currently around 30,000 people committed to actions through collaction.org. Which is a nice start. But I believe the idea has the potential to have so much more impact. So let me talk about some of the challenges that we faced and are still facing.
Challenges and considerations around a few themes
Concept. There were (and still are) a few risks and challenges to address when it comes to the concept. Some examples (not exhaustive):
Funding. Finding funding for the project has been a bit of a pain to be honest. There were two avenues we explored (unfortunately we didn’t really have the right high net worth individuals in our network):
Business models
We’ve considered a lot of models and tested some as well. Here’s a list of the main ones (probably not exhaustive):
Hope anyone here found this insightful. As I wrote in the intro, we’re actually looking for a new team to take CollAction.org to the next level. Unfortunately, I don’t have the time at the moment to give it the attention it deserves, and the other team members are building the Slow Fashion Movement and need to stay focused on that. So we’re basically looking for a new team or even an existing organization to adopt the platform.
Don’t hesitate to reach out to me if you’re interested or know someone that might be.
Cheers,
Ron
Some relevant articles here that triggered this post:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/kwaBa3KqBeAo8WE4m/making-a-crowdaction-platform
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/98HihPxpoRFja2JNF/is-there-an-assurance-contract-website-in-work
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/fQkzGfRoL82XX4cPr/if-a-kickstarter-for-inadequate-equlibria-was-built-do-you