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I'm an admin of LessWrong. Here are a few things about me.

  • I generally feel more hopeful about a situation when I understand it better.
  • I have signed no contracts nor made any agreements whose existence I cannot mention.
  • I believe it is good to take responsibility for accurately and honestly informing people of what you believe in all conversations; and also good to cultivate an active recklessness for the social consequences of doing so.
  • It is wrong to directly cause the end of the world. Even if you are fatalistic about what is going to happen.

Randomly: If you ever want to talk to me about anything you like for an hour, I am happy to be paid $1k for an hour of doing that.

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AI Alignment Writing Day 2019
Transcript of Eric Weinstein / Peter Thiel Conversation
AI Alignment Writing Day 2018
Share Models, Not Beliefs
Status Is The Game Of The Losers' Bracket
Ben Pace3h40

Very similar to Peter Thiel's idea that competition is for losers.

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Wei Dai's Shortform
Ben Pace12h20

In the last year I'd guess you've written over ten thousand words complaining about LW moderation over dozens of comments, and I don't recall you ever saying anything positive about the moderation? I recall once said that you won't leave the site over our actions (so far), which sounds like you'll bear our moderation, but is quite different from saying it's overall good.

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Mediators: a different route through conflict
Ben Pace19h40

I was interested in mediation and then spent a few hours chatting with ChatGPT to find a real example to look into, and then skimmed a book (by Holbrooke) about this example, and followed up with more q's to the language model (with regular checking of other secondary sources to confirm details).

After reading it, it increased the salience to me of the legitimacy and power of the mediator.

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7 Vicious Vices of Rationalists
Ben Pace20h2-7

I disagree; I think all the stories and adventures and loves and lives that people in the world have lived are worth quite a lot of torture, and it's not naively the case that if the torturous experiences are larger than the other experiences, that this means they're more important. I think a world that is primarily negative experiences can still be very meaningful and worthwhile.

I think it's worth being a good part of a bad story, rather than there being no story at all.

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7 Vicious Vices of Rationalists
Ben Pace2d61

This is a great suggestion. However I tried for a while and found it difficult. How does one display the opposite of contrarianism? In a virtue-of-silence kind of way, by believing (and sometimes stating) simple and boring truths when relevant. The very act of putting emphasis on this is to also make it contrarian ("I am so bold as to believe the obvious and good things"); I am reminded of Hitchens' article on Salman Rushdie, which ends "And, complex though it all is, it has elements of simplicity too. One must side with Salman Rushdie not because he is an underdog but because there is no other side to be on."

Open to hearing recommendations!

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7 Vicious Vices of Rationalists
Ben Pace2d74

I think disdain for the state of the world is an interesting rationalist vice, as something that is healthy in moderation and destructive in extremis. 

However I don't currently see it as happening as much as the ones above, or as damagingly. One might think of the foolish Zizians, but I think their hatred for the world comes more from leftist philosophy / animal rights background, than from rationalist vices. Their rationalist vices look more like their endless and inaccurate writing about hemispheres.

I don't agree on book reviews FWIW. I think the counterfactual is that most people don't read a book, and that a book review is, if done well, a successful 80/20 of the book. I think of book reviews as positive way that rationalists en-masse engage with parts of the world outside of their worldview.

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7 Vicious Vices of Rationalists
Ben Pace2d*98

In case you don't know, it is a widespread meme (originating here) that rationalists are like quokkas and often unable to notice that people want to harm them or are taking a conflict theory stance. 

It is not true in full generality of course, but I think it is a common pattern that someone writes something intended as an attack on the status of rationalists, and rationalists falsely read it as a friend inviting them to argue, and then keep talking, to the annoyance and confusion of the original person.

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Alex_Altair's Shortform
Ben Pace2d20

A hot math take

I was expecting a take on a particular tune by Andrew Bird.

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The Charge of the Hobby Horse
Ben Pace4d106

I think it is sad to move straight to a ban. I don't believe that one always needs to put in a lot of effort before being able to accurately come to the conclusion that a commenter's bad behavior is not going to get better, and you don't owe every commenter (say) a dozen hours of advice and mediation, but I think that for long-time users who have made lots of good contributions, a second chance is a good idea, along with giving a warning with a comment pointer to what they thought was bad.

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Don't let people buy credit with borrowed funds
Ben Pace4d20

Yeah. For my taste your paragraph is still written on a slightly higher level abstraction than what is helpful for people who have never actually done any marketing of things before (i.e. says "The normal context of marketing is to pay someone to get information about your product out to potential buyers" but doesn't follow up with "For instance, how big your product is, or what shops they can buy it in"). But it is just a matter of taste.

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