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Correction my apologies. Apparently 30 respondents were snowballed from 17 others. We'll look into how this affects the results

2DanielFilan
Thanks!

There were six people of 168 respondents who came via people some of the authors already knew or snowballing. I don't think this would have much effect on the overall picture of the results

4johnhalstead
Correction my apologies. Apparently 30 respondents were snowballed from 17 others. We'll look into how this affects the results

It was an anonymous poll so this would not have an effect

2the gears to ascension
People used to self-censoring still often self-censor when they don't have to. Anonymity should have changed the balance, though.

This is a misunderstanding as I discuss I my comment below. The respondents were selected from a list according to the criteria set out. This doesn't mean the authors emailed their friends

The personalised outreach mentioned just means that the respondents were initially sent a stock email and then when they didn't respond, they were sent a more personalised message. It doesn't meant that the surveyors emailed their friends. The survey was based on mass outreach from a list from professional societies

Snowballing contacts does introduce a risk of bias but that is mitigated by the disciplinary and geographic spread in the target sample. Respondents in non developed countries gave a higher chance of zoonosis, so the prospect that the survey was... (read more)

2DanielFilan
Is there any chance you guys could share information about the trees of who recommended who, to help get a sense of how big this bias could be? Like, how large was the largest recommendation chain, what fraction of people were recommended vs initially contacted, etc?
3DanielFilan
(Casual readers may not realize that John Halstead was one of the co-authors of the report on this survey)

Hello, 

  1. It seems I misunderstood sorry
  2. My point in raising the philosophy literature was that you seemed to be professing anger at the idea that subjective experience is all that matters morally - it drives you 'bonkers' and is 'nuts'. I was saying that people with a lot more expertise than you in philosophy think it is plausible and you haven't presented any arguments, so I don't think it should drive you bonkers. I think the default position would be to update a bit towards that view and to not think it is bonkers. 
    1. Similarly, if I wrote a piece s
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Thanks for taking the time to do this. I'm not really a fan of the way you approach writing up your thoughts here. The post seems high on snark, rhetoric and bare assertion, and low on clarity, reasoning transparency, and quality of reasoning. The piece feels like you are leaning on your reputation to make something like a political speech, which will get you credit among certain groups, rather than a reasoned argument designed to persuade anyone who doesn't already like you. For example, you say:

But at least the crazy kids are trying. At all. They get to

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Zvi103

This seems to be misunderstanding several points I was attempting to make so I'll clear those up here. Apologies if I gave the wrong idea.

  1. On longtermism I was responding to Lewis' critique, saying that you do not need full longtermism to care about the issues longtermists care about, that there were also (medium term?) highly valuable issues at stake that would already be sufficient to care about such matters. It was not intended as an assertion that longtermism is false, nor do I believe that. 
  2. I am asserting there that I believe that things other tha
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As mentioned in my other comment, unless the people you are visiting are hiding at home all the time, you are not going to have much effect on the chance they get covid over any six month period. you might just bring it forward a bit time. but if they are living a relatively normal life eg going to shops (as I think they should) then it's not going to make much difference since covid has been let rip in the US. 

Re (1) I think you could do that with lateral flow testing rather than taking a vaccine that may be net harmful to your health. The false nega... (read more)

2jefftk
> if they are living a relatively normal life eg going to shops (as I think they should) They aren't: they are being very cautious. > I think you could do that with lateral flow testing rather than taking a vaccine that may be net harmful to your health Everyone in our family is already testing before each visit with our most vulnerable relatives, which is additional protection on top of the booster. But even if this were not a factor in my life, (2) would still be sufficient.

I don't think that makes much difference because I don't think it has much effect on the total number of infections - you would really be changing the time at which someone gets the virus given that we're not trying to contain it anymore. 

One way round the concern about visiting the retirement home would be to do a lateral flow test before you go in. If you're seeing extremely vulnerable people a lot, then it might be worth getting the vaccine. But the IFR is now lower than the flu for all ages and I think should be treated accordingly

3Nathaniel Monson
I think the people I know well over 65 (my parents, my surviving grandparent, some professors) are trying to not get COVID--they go to stores only in off-peak hours, avoid large gatherings, don't travel much. These seem like basically worth-it decisions to me (low benefit, but even lower cost). This means that their chance of getting COVID is much much higher when, eg, seeing relatives who just took a plane flight to see them. I agree that the flu is comparably worrisome, and it wouldn't make sense to get a COVID booster but not a flu vaccine.

Personally, I don't think it is worth getting the vaccine if you are under 40.  According to this paper in the BMJ, for people aged 18-29, per covid hospitalisation prevented, an MRNA vaccine will cause at least 18.5 severe adverse events. A serious adverse event is:  An adverse event that results in any of the following conditions: death, life threatening at the time of the event, inpatient hospitalisation or prolongation of existing hospitalisation; persistent or significant disability/ incapacity, a congenital anomaly/birth defect or a medical... (read more)

1Mark_
Note that the serious adverse events (SAEs) that were recorded as attributable to the vaccine in the study were much more mild: * Of the 12 SAEs reported in the intervention arm of the randomised controlled trial (RCT) for BNT162b2 (n=5055), three were found by blinded investigators to be attributable to the vaccine, providing a rate of 1 in 1685 (3/5055).19 The three SAEs considered vaccine related included: moderate persistent tachycardia, moderate transient elevated hepatic enzymes and mild elevated hepatic enzymes. Seems a bit misleading to list those much scarier sounding SAEs (as the paper does as well) like death and birth defects when none of them occurred in the study.
4jefftk
I think this is assuming that someone under 40 would be considering getting the vaccine because they're concerned about getting hospitalized for covid, but that's very far down my list. Instead, the main things I want to prevent are (1) getting reasonably covid-cautious elderly relatives sick, where large family holiday gatherings are a decent portion of their annual risk and (2) having to cancel plans because I've contracted covid and am expected to isolate. (Your comment also seems to conflate "under 40" and "under 30")
3Nathaniel Monson
Surely your self-estimated chance of exposure and number of high-risk people you would in turn expose should factor in somewhere? I agree with you for people who aren't traveling, but someone who, eg, flies into a major conference and then is visiting a retirement home the week after is doing a different calculation.

Thanks a lot for this! I think I agree with you to an extent that if we define alignment as avoiding human extinction due to rogue AI, the distinction between alignment and capabilities seems relatively clear, though I do have some reservations about that. 

Independent of that, what do you make of the distinction between intent-alignment (roughly getting AI systems to do what we intend) and capabilities? If you look at many proposed intent-alignment techniques, they also seem to improve capabilities on standard metrics. This is true eg of RLHF, adversa... (read more)

2RHollerith
In one of his appearances on video this year, Eliezer said IIRC that all of the intent-alignment techniques he knows of stop working once the AI's capabilities improve enough, mentioning RLHF. Other than that I am not knowledgeable enough to answer you.

These sorts of assumptions are the default in the climate change literature.  Few agricultural impacts studies account for crop migration or for the prospect that we might introduce new cultivars. I imagine the authors are following the lead of the climate literature there, though it obviously massively overstates the impact of cooling or warming  

I also think this highlights a wider problem with the nuclear winter literature. The scholars in the field are very obviously biased. Robock and his collaborators write almost all of the papers but clea... (read more)