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This is how real-life humans talk.

Fair.

Something something blackmailer is subjunctively dependent with the teacup! (This is a joke.)

No, they can't. See: "akrasia" on the path to protecting their hypothetical predicted future selves 30 years from now.

The teacup takes the W here too. It's indifferent to blackmail! [chad picture]

I don't disagree with any of this.

And yet, some people seem to be generalizedly "better at things" than others. And I am more afraid of a broken human person (he might shoot me) than a broken teacup.

It is certainly possible that "intelligence" is a purely intrinsic property of my own mind, a way to measure "how much do I need to use the intentional stance to model another being, rather than model-based reductionism?" But this is still a fact about reality, since my mind exists in reality. And in that case "AI alignment" would still need to be a necessary field, because there are objects that have a larger minimal-complexity-to-express than the size of my mind, and I would want knowledge that allows me to approximate their behavior.

But I can't robustly define words like "intelligence" in a way that beats the teacup test. So overall I am unwilling to say "the entire field of AI Alignment is bunk because intelligence isn't a meaningful concept?" I just feel very confused.

This is one of the most morally powerful things you have ever written. Thanks.

Specific claim: the only nontrivial obstacle in front of us is not being evil

This is false. Object-level stuff is actually very hard.

Specific claim: nearly everyone in the aristocracy is agentically evil. (EDIT: THIS WAS NOT SAID. WE BASICALLY AGREE ON THIS SUBJECT.)

This is a wrong abstraction. Frame of Puppets seems naively correct to me, and has become increasingly reified by personal experience of more distant-to-my-group groups of people, to use a certain person's language. Ideas and institutions have the agency; they wear people like skin.

Specific claim: this is how to take over New York.

Didn't work.

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