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Not sure how many very mentally impaired people you've spent time with. Chimpanzees are not the same as mentally impaired humans. At all.

Wizard power well-directed can do amazing things. 

Most wizards (1)do not develop particularly strong powers, (2) the powers they develop are often pretty useless at society level, and (3) on their own usually don't use those powers very efficiently, and (4) most (?) wizards do not naturally work well together without direction.

King power is pretty similar,  but :

you naturally get higher levels of power than in wizards,  but you can only have so many people with so much king-power (based on number of people and available resources); 

(2) does not apply much (once you get past a certain level of power being a bully to your own family is pretty irrelevant) directionally, but as with (3) there is a subset of skills for actually being a good manager/executive which are less incentivized

(3) is exacerbated, as the way to gain more power is often different from being effecient, especially for society

(4) is mitigated,  except when working together well is sub-optimal for gaining power

 

One of the major issues for humanity in building something like this is king-power players developing and using the wizardry of getting things done, organizational rot and weakness are a massive issue in society

The words you're looking (perhaps): power, influence

Not sure why the holocaust is relevant.

60 IQ humans are defective, generally incapable of taking care of themselves, are unproductive and without a lot of effort by others have bad lives.

Of course we'd rather new humans be 100 IQ rather than 60 IQ. Even so, it's generally accepted that killing them, forcefully sterilizing (at least those who are aware) is immoral. Which means that despite incentives the majority population treats them as members of the same race and morally relevant.

(Contrast with current humanity - people are useful and can produce more than they eat, so there's no incentive to get rid of them. Further, you only need more selection for improvement, no sterilization necessary)

This new subpopulation would be much smaller than the 140+IQ group (I doubt we're getting 2 million 200IQ+ people very quickly), and also 140IQ people aren't interested in killing off everyone else...

If this new population wants to agitate for making new humans with high IQs I don't see that as a threat.

 

Eugenics for memes seems closer to sci-fi right now and unless done really stupidly seems irrelevant

USA wins on the merits of historically preferring to pretend it isn't ruling the world and mostly letting other countries do their thing, even when it has extreme military dominance (nukes)

China seems to be better at governance

On values USA is more adapted to wealth, while China has the communistic underpinnings which may be very good in a fully-automated economy.

 

Comes down to whether you want the easygoing less competent (and slightly psychotic) overlords or the more competent higher-strung control freaks I suppose.

When you say ~zero value, do you mean hyperbolically dicounted or something more extreme? 

I don't remeber who said it, but building AI isn't just about power dynamics or a bit of efficiency.

It's about whether humanity should keep doing things.

Civilization (feels like it?) stagnated and degraded for the last decades (the main technological upgrade being the cause of social degradation).

We haven't solved cancer, can't regrow limbs, people are unhealthy, commuting to work is unpleasant and work weeks are long. The list can go on. 

Humans make tools do let them do better and more work. Humans even set up full automation of certain things. Now humans are looking to fully automate humans, perhaps because we don't believe in the human race. (I think EY and doomers generally are the same as the accelerationists, neither has faith in humanity). 

What could humans make that would restore faith- faith that we could compete with AGIs, faith that we can get out of stagnation without replacing humans, faith that we can make the world of humans a better one? 

A tech advance, an organizational efficiency advance,  quality of life, something else?

Just make online courses for all major studies, with pdf textbooks, video lectures and homework exercises with solutions. Then set up a testing facility and give people degrees based on passed tests. 

Pay the best professors you can for this, make tests with very high upper ceilings,  it could become the standardized system for schooling like China's old civil bureaucracy tests.

 

(For tests you could have full day tests,  and you answer as many questions as you can - with the later ones more difficult)

Leave the "top schools" to their status games, provide better education and fairly standardized testing, plus certification - for much lower prices

Not romantic, fun, sexy, etc to just ask. Much better when it's as close to a dance as possible, as much subtley  as can be expected is involved. 

This is certainly a filter, but not consciously. Consiously this allows the woman to feel good about herself and the whole interaction.

(Not that being straightforward is bad or can't be exciting - though it is usually flatter)

Why is coherence a necessary base for well-foundedness?

 

Well founded marriage seems like something different from east and west halves of a country, there is a choice and pattern of behavior here, not a fundamental difference that stops it from being possible to create sub-agentic infighting. (East and West could pay for spies etc, but this isn't a fundamental part of the problem)

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