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Comment author: lessdazed 28 October 2011 11:53:23PM *  3 points [-]
Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 29 October 2011 03:37:57AM 1 point [-]

In my opinion, overused words deserve correction.

I'm not sure that I'm getting your point. The theme of your links is that the word "rational" is overused around here. Is it your point that "Aumann agreement" is also overused?

See the zeroth virtue.

Are you referring to the virtue that Eliezer calls "the void"? I'm not seeing the relevance.

Comment author: lessdazed 29 October 2011 04:14:26AM 5 points [-]

Is it your point that "Aumann agreement" is also overused?

Not really, that was poor word choice on my part. Only literally is it overused, in that one excessive use constitutes overuse.

It's that such words have a warm feel to them, so they are used even when the anticipation controlling/more literal/more technical meaning is not intended. The overuse causes confusion by muddying the meaning, and increases the risk that I will name the way to understand the world and achieving my goals instead of actually understanding the world and achieving my goals.

This type of thing is common because one such overuse is common, "rational". The specific overuse of "Aumann's agreement theorem", the same type of thing, is not common.

I have several times seen it described as a rule that rationalists update towards each other's estimates, which is distressing. Clearly, they may share evidence and conclude something is more or less likely than either originally thought. A way to make sure one is learning and updating is to avoid using words for ideal methods, lest they cause one to think one is using them when one isn't.

Are you referring to the virtue that Eliezer calls "the void"

Yes. It's only belatedly and reluctantly named there so it can be an example of its own point, to explain relationships among concepts rather than try and explain by using labels for rationality.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 29 October 2011 10:33:50AM *  4 points [-]

Agreement is an indicator subject to Goodhart's law.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 30 October 2011 10:58:20AM 0 points [-]

(You've lost the "magic".)

Comment author: lessdazed 30 October 2011 11:23:15AM 1 point [-]

I cast magic song!