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Comment author: FiftyTwo 02 January 2012 01:32:32AM *  4 points [-]

I don't think we want to encourage or allow killing of anything anywhere near as close to people as babies.

By what criterion do you consider babies sufficiently "close to people" that this is an issue, but not late term fetuses or adult animals? Specific example, an adult bonobo seems to share more of the morally relevant characteristics of adult humans than a newborn baby but are not afforded the same legal protection.

Comment author: drethelin 02 January 2012 04:18:00AM 2 points [-]

I don't think killing bonobos should be particularly legal.

As far as fetuses, since my worry is psychological, I don't think there's a significant risk of desensitization to killing people since the action of going under surgery or taking plan b is so vastly removed from the act of murder.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 January 2012 09:37:14AM *  4 points [-]

What if only surgeons are licensed for infanticide on request, which must be done in privacy away from parent's eyes?

That way desensitisation isn't worse than with surgeons or doctors who preform abortion, especially if aesthetics or poison is used. Before anyone raises the Hippocratic oath as an objection, let me give them a stern look and ask them to consider the context of the debate and figure out on their own why it isn't applicable.

Comment author: drethelin 02 January 2012 07:16:12PM 0 points [-]

I would probably be ok with this, though I don't see particularly strong incentives to put effort in to legalize it.

Comment author: Multiheaded 02 January 2012 09:51:20AM 0 points [-]

What if only surgeons are licensed for infanticide on request, which must be done in privacy away from parent's eyes?

The damage would've been already done elsewhere by that point. The parent would likely have already

1) seen their born, living infant, experiencing what their instincts tell them to (if wired normally in this regard)

2) made the decision and signed the paperwork

3) (maybe) even taken another look at the infant with the knowledge that it's the last time they see it

I feel that every one of those little points could subtly damage (or totally wreck) a person.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 January 2012 10:04:46AM *  11 points [-]

I'm afraid you may have your bottom line written already. In the age of ultrasound and computer generated images or even better in the future age of transhuman sensory enhancement or fetuses being grown outside the human body the exact same argument can be used against abortion.

Especially once you remember the original context was a 10 month old baby, not say a 10 year old child.

Comment author: Multiheaded 02 January 2012 10:14:01AM 6 points [-]

In the age of ultrasound and computer generated images or even better in the future age of transhuman sensory enhancement or fetuses being grown outside the human body the exact same argument can be used against abortion

Then I might well have to use it against abortion at some point, for the same reason: we should forbid people from overriding this part of their instincts.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 January 2012 10:28:58PM 2 points [-]

Upvoted for bullet-biting.

Comment author: FiftyTwo 02 January 2012 05:42:46PM 1 point [-]

Why is overriding of instincts inherently bad?

Comment author: Multiheaded 02 January 2012 08:06:38PM *  0 points [-]
Comment author: Multiheaded 02 January 2012 10:10:57AM *  0 points [-]

'm afraid you may have your bottom line written already.

First, I'm understandably modeling this on myself, and second, it doesn't really make this speculation any less valid in itself.