Multiheaded comments on Welcome to Less Wrong! (2012) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Multiheaded 02 January 2012 10:39:19AM *  0 points [-]

I don't think society considers that a valid reason for discrimination.

Yes society might, if society takes into account that it loathes most people with those characteristics to begin with.

remember we are godshatter, maybe we should just accept that perhaps we don't care as much about other people's suffering as we'd like to believe or say we do.

Maybe if we do bother to self-modify in some direction along one of our "shard"'s vectors, it could as well be a direction we see as more virtuous? Making ourselves care as much as we'd privately want to, at least to try and see how it goes?

Comment author: [deleted] 02 January 2012 11:38:23AM *  1 point [-]

Making ourselves care as much as we'd privately want to, at least to try and see how it goes?

Revealed preferences are precisely what we end up doing and actually desire once we get in a certain situation. Why not work it out the other way around? How can you be sure maximum utility is going with this shard line and not the other?

Because it sounds good? To 21st century Westerners?

Comment author: Multiheaded 02 January 2012 11:47:06AM 0 points [-]

How can you be sure maximum utility is going with this shard line and not the other?

My current values simply DO point in the direction of rewriting parts of my utility function like I suggest, and not like you suggest.

Because it sounds good? To 21st century Westerners?

Sure, might as well stick with this reason. I haven't yet seen an opposing one that's convincing to me.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 January 2012 11:57:57AM *  0 points [-]

My current values simply DO point in the direction of rewriting parts of my utility function like I suggest, and not like you suggest.

When currently thinking in far mode about this you like the idea, but seeing it in practice might easily horrify you.

In any case when I was talking about maximising utility, I was talking about you maximising your utility. You can easily be mistaken about what does and dosen't do that.

Comment author: Multiheaded 02 January 2012 12:20:05PM *  2 points [-]

When currently thinking in far mode about this you like the idea, but seeing it in practice might easily horrify you.

I say the same about the general shape of your modern-society-with-legalized-infanticide.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 January 2012 12:24:57PM 1 point [-]

And you are right to say so!

Comment author: Multiheaded 02 January 2012 12:29:37PM 0 points [-]

Uh huh, thanks. The difference is, I'm quite a bit more distrustful of your legal infanticide's perspectives than you're distrustful of my personal self-modification's perspectives.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 January 2012 12:37:02PM *  1 point [-]

The difference is, I'm quite a bit more distrustful of your legal infanticide's perspectives than you're distrustful of my personal self-modification's perspectives.

I'm not sure this is so. We should update towards each other estimates of the other's distrustfulness. I'm literally horrified by the possibility of a happy death spiral around universal altruism.