RolfAndreassen comments on Open Thread, May 1-15, 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: RolfAndreassen 01 May 2012 05:57:08PM 6 points [-]

It's not clear to me why you don't just appeal to Many Worlds, or more generally to alternate histories. These are fairly well-understood concepts among the sort of people who'd be interested in such a thought experiment. Why not simply say "Imagine Carthage had won the Punic Wars" and go from there?

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 01 May 2012 10:29:28PM 5 points [-]

I'm beginning to doubt my motives for this line of thinking, but I'm not abandoning it altogether.

The trouble with alternate histories is as soon as you say "imagine so-and-so won such-a-war", people start coming up with stories that lead them to a very specific idea about what such a world would be like. I imagine your appeal to imagine Carthage winning the Punic Wars would involve someone picturing a world practically identical to ours, only retro-fitted with Carthaginian influences instead of Roman ones.

I also feel (and it is a feeling I have trouble substantiating) that when posed with a question like "there's another society of humans over there; do they have [x]?", it's a much more straightforward pragmatic question to address than "in an alternate history where such-a-thing happened, do they have [x]?"

Comment author: RolfAndreassen 03 May 2012 04:29:48AM 1 point [-]

I see your point. Perhaps you could try to appeal to non-specific alternate histories? Not "imagine Carthage wins" but "imagine a butterfly zigged instead of zagging on August 3rd, 5823 BCE".

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 03 May 2012 10:11:56AM 0 points [-]

Does that not sound like a super-abstract question to you?

I recognise it as asking pretty much exactly the same question as "an alternate several-thousand years of human history has taken place concurrent to, but separate from, our own; what's it like?", but the Many Worlds appeal is like saying "here is a blank canvas where anything can happen", while the equatorial wall or counter-earth scenario is like saying "here is a situation: how do you deal with it?"

I think that's what I meant by Many Worlds being too open-ended in my response to drethelin.