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Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 08 September 2012 06:21:48AM *  13 points [-]

ADBOC to the first link in this context — its tone is appropriate if the target audience is unrepentant creepers* who need to be shamed into shaping up**, but as advice to random people who may or may not behave creepily, it feels way too aggressive, like it's presuming guilt. (The third link, on the other hand, is great tone-wise.)

* A narrower category than "people who behave creepily some of the time".

** Not that I would expect it to work well; most people wouldn't consider the author a moral authority who's entitled to shame them. Behavior modification is hard.

Comment author: Airedale 13 September 2012 04:01:22PM 3 points [-]

** Not that I would expect it to work well; most people wouldn't consider the author a moral authority who's entitled to shame them. Behavior modification is hard.

Not a moral authority for most people who might stumble upon the post, sure, but I would guess that Scalzi is a reasonable facsimile of such of person for the audience of SFF fandom and con attendees at whom the post was more specifically aimed. He's perhaps not a "moral authority" but he is a person of sufficiently high status in that community that his words would carry some weight.

As for tone, it seems pretty typical of Scalzi-style prose, so again, for his main audience of fans, I don't know that tone would be a problem. The follow-up post linked on the page also seems to do a fair job explaining why the post is not just targeted to unrepentant creepers but also applies to people who may quite accidentally veer into that territory without even realizing it, and details how he has had to consciously check himself from doing so on occasion.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 09 September 2012 09:56:35PM -1 points [-]

In context, it was literally about an unrepentant creeper.

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 10 September 2012 12:47:18AM *  1 point [-]

I mean in the context of this LW post. Also, the title "An Incomplete Guide to Not Creeping" strongly suggests an intended audience of not-necessarily-creepers.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 10 September 2012 01:02:51PM 0 points [-]

Yes, but in terms of the actual historical context of the blog post, it was spurred into existence due to a nonrepentant creeper and a conversation springing from that.