Eugine_Nier comments on The Useful Idea of Truth - Less Wrong

77 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 02 October 2012 06:16PM

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Comment author: DSimon 03 October 2012 04:11:30AM 0 points [-]

Here's my first swing at it: A proposition is meaningful if it constrains the predicted observations of any theoretically possible observer.

This way, the proposition "the unmanned starship will not blink out of existence when it leaves my light cone" is meaningful because it's possible that there might potentially be an observer nearby who observes the starship not disappear.

On the other hand, the statement "The position of this particle is exactly X and its momentum exactly P" is not meaningful under this rule, and that's a feature.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 03 October 2012 06:32:45AM 1 point [-]

Taboo "theoretically possible".

Comment author: DSimon 03 October 2012 07:21:45PM 0 points [-]

Hm, how about: "[...] of any observer which our best current theory of how minds work says could exist".

So for example, a statement along the lines of "a ghost watches and sees whether or not Mars continues to exist when it passes behind the Sun from Earth's perspective" would have been meaningful a long time ago, but is not meaningful for people today who know a little about brains.

This also means that a proposition may be meaningful only because the proposer is ignorant.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 04 October 2012 02:12:54AM 1 point [-]

Hm, how about: "[...] of any observer which our best current theory of how minds work says could exist".

Taboo "could". Basically, counter-factual surgery is a lot trickier than you seem to think.

Comment author: wedrifid 03 October 2012 07:39:29AM 0 points [-]

Taboo "theoretically possible".

There aren't many threads where I'd let that pass. This is one of them.