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Or, to give it is full title, "there is this thingy from which experiences come from, let's call it reality, and it is in the territory and not part of the map"
Who's forgetting what? Our meta-model of model-making is that you can make as many models as you like of something, and the original doens't vanish. Making a model of the territory doens't turn it into a map.
Well, you've thrown out the single world as well. All the babies went out with the bathwater.
I'll say. Once you have asumed that the territory is just another map, it becomes impossible to explain why anyone would care about getting into alignment with it.
"I have a model which says my exeriences will repeat, therefore they will repeat". Hmmmm.
You're making some good points. Unfortunately, shminux is often just that easy to pattern-match with "naive postmodernist" stereotypes, which doesn't help for charitable interpretation.
In my experience, his points are usually more coherent than this (or, in most cases, more coherent than an average interpretation of his posts' contents would suggest).
The charitable interpretation is that shminux always implies in his points something similar to Eliezer's notions that you can't just step outside of your own perceptions to see the territory directly, but do have some mechanisms already in place that receive "new" information from somewhere which you have no control over, which is what (AFAICT) shminux calls "reality".
Basically, AFAICT, shminux draws the boundaries for the term/concept "reality" in a slightly different area/manner, one that allows him to remove the node "external territory" entirely without sacrificing practical points like "believing I can fly doesn't prevent me from going splat if I jump off a building". The utility of this difference is apparently obvious to him, and debated by others.
That's a little too charitable though, since that's effectively the view shminux is arguing against.
That's a good point, if your assessment of what shminux argues against is better than mine. It probably is, since I can't yet make useful predictions on this.