lsparrish comments on Open Thread, April 15-30, 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: lsparrish 17 April 2013 07:25:31PM *  2 points [-]

Ok... Well... If that's the case, and if you can tell me why you feel that way, I might have a response that would modify your preference. Then again, your reasoning might modify my own preference. Cryptic non-argument isn't particularly interesting, or helpful for coming to an Aumann Agreement.

Edit: Here is my response.

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 18 April 2013 04:50:17AM *  7 points [-]

1) I am not at all convinced that investing in bitcoins is positive expected value, 2) they seem high-variance and I'm wary about increasing the variance of my money too much, 3) I am not a domain expert in finance and would strongly prefer to learn more about finance in general before making investment decisions of any kind, and 4) your initial comment rubbed me the wrong way because it took as a standing assumption that bitcoins are obviously a sensible investment and didn't take into account the possibility that this isn't a universally shared opinion. (Your initial follow-up comment read to me like "okay, then you're obviously an idiot," and that also rubbed me the wrong way.)

If the bitcoin situation is so clear to you, I would appreciate a Discussion post making the case for bitcoin investment in more detail.

Comment author: RomeoStevens 18 April 2013 09:50:13AM 1 point [-]

regulatory uncertainty swamps any quantitative analysis I think.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 18 April 2013 05:01:45AM *  4 points [-]

The standard advice is that normal people should never try to beat the market by picking any single investment, but rather put their money in index funds. The best publicly available information is already considered to be reflected in the current prices: if you recommend in buying a particular investment, that implies that you have knowledge that the best traders currently on the market do not have. As a friend commented:

The only rational reasons to hold a highly volatile, speculative investment are either if you have a huge risk preference (and with bitcoin we're talking about crack users) or if it's a really small share of your investments, of which the majority are really low-risk investments.

So if you think that people should be buying Bitcoins, it's up to you to explain why the standard wisdom on investment is wrong in this case.

(For what it's worth, personally I do own Bitcoins, but I view it as a form of geek gambling, not investment. It's fun watching your coins lose 60% in value and go up 40% from that, all within a matter of a few days.)

Comment author: RomeoStevens 18 April 2013 09:49:14AM 3 points [-]

Bitcoins are more like investing in a startup. The plausible scenarios to bitcoins netting you a return commensurate with the risk involve it disrupting several 100 billion+ markets (paypal, western union). I think investing in startups that have plausible paths towards such disruptions are worthy of a small portion of your portfolio.